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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 7:13 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 6:44 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Randys brother Wrote: Yes Archaeology backs up the Bible,I will have to disagree with you.
The time you spend disagreeing would be better spent examining reality.
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A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 7:18 pm
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2015 at 7:23 pm by Rhondazvous.)
(October 10, 2015 at 3:49 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: It is you who have missed 3 very important points here.
1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel. Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language. Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.
3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?
God doesn't do things out of love or justice. As one poster called him, that "draconian psychopath" does things because he has the power and no one can stop him.
I can't get over how strange atheists interpretations of the bible are Just as people who use AM radios will never understand FM radio stations, so people who just believe without question will never understand reason.
Besides, I don't need you to understand me. You're the evangelist who came to my home, so it's on you to make me understand and you can't do that by being dishonest and not seeing what the Bible is really saying.
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The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Quote:I can't get over how strange atheists interpretations of the bible are
And I can't get over the amount of energy theists expend trying to convince the rest of us that the Bible doesn't mean what it says.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 7:31 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 3:52 pm)Irrational Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 3:49 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: I can't get over how strange atheists interpretations of the bible are
That's the best you can say? What is strange about them? Sounds like common sense to me.
In that cesspool of undigested lies called the Christian church, anything that makes too much sense is going to sound strange.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 7:42 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 3:54 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Daniel, have you ever seen a history book that had talking snakes and garrulous donkeys in it?
In fact, have you ever even seen any book besides the magic one that you worship?
You shore got a purdy mouth, you and those twenty-dollar words. twenty pound words, sir.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 7:52 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 7:42 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You shore got a purdy mouth, you and those twenty-dollar words. twenty pound words, sir.
I don't hold with that funny colored foreign funny money.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 7:53 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 7:13 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 6:44 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: The time you spend disagreeing would be better spent examining reality.
Snake - You have my favorite quotation-signature I've yet seen, and that's saying a lot! But you should be aware it's Douglas Adams.
Thanks for the heads up. Can't believe I truncated the great man's name.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 9:14 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 3:49 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: I can't get over how strange atheists interpretations of the bible are Just as people who use AM radios will never understand FM radio stations, so people who just believe without question will never understand reason.
Besides, I don't need you to understand me. You're the evangelist who came to my home, so it's on you to make me understand and you can't do that by being dishonest and not seeing what the Bible is really saying.
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excuse me this is a forum for all people to bring their beliefs. The makers of the website asked me to state my belief because all are welcome. not to mention the different categories that are available to post threads on.
adam knew good and evil the day he ate the forbidden fruit which was forbidden for a reason. We were made perfect and we could live with God before that.
and the tower of babel was so that the people could reach heaven and be like the Most High. It was God punishing them for their pride. It also serves as a metaphor that you cannot work your way to Heaven.
Jesus said, "They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Luke 5:31
the self-righteous will not seek a savior, but the one's who know they are sinners will look to the Savior Jesus Christ, and the Lord is faithful and true. He cannot lie and He promises us eternal life when we believe on Him.
The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 9:25 pm
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(October 10, 2015 at 9:14 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: [...]the Lord is faithful and true. He cannot lie and He promises us eternal life when we believe on Him. [...]
Again - you keep telling us what an OMNIPOTENT god CAN NOT DO. I thought god could do ANYTHING...
If you're not careful, god will smite your blasphemous a**, for making him look like a b*tch...
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RE: Bible way to Heaven
October 10, 2015 at 9:25 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 9:14 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Yeah, and that's my response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
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