Why do Deists believe in Heaven?

[jenny1972]

If all you believe is that God created you and then peaced the fuck out afterwards, never interacting with humanity again, why do you believe that after you die it will be anything more than what atheists believe happens after death?


i have never yet come across a Deist who does not believe that God interacts with people , thats why they believe in God interaction and thats why i believe in God . I believe there is an afterlife what it involves i have no idea but its not the Heaven that religions have created .

[robvalue]

Weird, that's not my understanding. I thought the whole deal with a deistic belief is that the God does not interact. That appears to match with regular definitions.

Belief in an interacting God would make you a theist, but not necessarily a religious one, as far as I'm aware.

[abaris]

i have never yet come across a Deist who does not believe that God interacts with people , thats why they believe in God interaction and thats why i believe in God . I believe there is an afterlife what it involves i have no idea but its not the Heaven that religions have created .

Define God in this context, since I never came across any deist worshipping something that can be called god (singular). Nature, the universe or some pantheon, yes, but never a single god.

Belief in an interacting God would make you a theist, but not necessarily a religious one, as far as I'm aware.

Also not how I experienced it. Except for wiccans to a certain degree, since they also don't worship "god" but the forces of nature that can be bent to you bidding by making an offering and some incantations.

[jenny1972]

Weird, that's not my understanding. I thought the whole deal with a deistic belief is that the God does not interact. That appears to match with regular definitions.

Belief in an interacting God would make you a theist, but not necessarily a religious one, as far as I'm aware.

im a theist who hates all religions equally

an 'anti religion equalist'  (until a better name comes along ... please better name come along )

i thought all theists had to have some kind of doctrine not just believe in God

i came across the definition also that Deists do believe in God but have not had an experience of God interacting with them so i guess i am not a Deist then i havent come across many people who claim to be Deists but the few i have come across dont think of God as distant in any way so maybe we have mislabeled ourselves or maybe we are the new generation of Deists ... we shall see

well no matter what i am i believe in this :
Antitheism, also known pejoratively as "militant atheism" (despite having nothing to do with militancy) is the belief that theism and religion are harmful to society and people, and that even if theistic beliefs were true, they would be undesirable. Antitheism, which is often characterized as outspoken opposition to theism and religion, asserts that religious and especially theistic beliefs are harmful and should be discarded

(except for the fact im not an atheist)
antitheist Deist with a twist ? hmmm

[robvalue]

Theism certainly doesn't imply anything further than a belief in God. It doesn't require any religion or doctrine, they are optional. Deism is usually a subset of theism where the God isn't believed to interact. So you sound like an anti-religion theist to me

Yeah, anti-theism is technically thinking theism is a bad thing, but often is used to just mean anti-religion. Personally, I'm anti-harm, so I'm anti everything religion does that causes harm. I don't oppose religion existing, or people being theists, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

[The Grand Nudger]

im a theist who hates all religions equally

Except your own, surely.  Which just means, on that count, that you're a run of the mill theist.  

an 'anti religion equalist'  (until a better name comes along ... please better name come along )

i thought all theists had to have some kind of doctrine not just believe in God

i came across the definition also that Deists do believe in God but have not had an experience of God interacting with them so i guess i am not a Deist then i havent come across many people who claim to be Deists but the few i have come across dont think of God as distant in any way so maybe we have mislabeled ourselves or maybe we are the new generation of Deists ... we shall see

well no matter what i am i believe in this :
Antitheism, also known pejoratively as "militant atheism" (despite having nothing to do with militancy) is the belief that theism and religion are harmful to society and people, and that even if theistic beliefs were true, they would be undesirable. Antitheism, which is often characterized as outspoken opposition to theism and religion, asserts that religious and especially theistic beliefs are harmful and should be discarded

(except for the fact im not an atheist)
antitheist Deist with a twist ? hmmm

-Unless you'd lump your own beliefs in as harmful...as a thing that should be discarded............you don't "believe" in that, regardless of whether you do or do not believe in a god.

[jenny1972]

im a theist who hates all religions equally

Except your own, surely.  Which just means, on that count, that you're a run of the mill theist.  

well no matter what i am i believe in this :
Antitheism, also known pejoratively as "militant atheism" (despite having nothing to do with militancy) is the belief that theism and religion are harmful to society and people, and that even if theistic beliefs were true, they would be undesirable. Antitheism, which is often characterized as outspoken opposition to theism and religion, asserts that religious and especially theistic beliefs are harmful and should be discarded

(except for the fact im not an atheist)
antitheist Deist with a twist ? hmmm

-Unless you'd lump your own beliefs in as harmful...as a thing that should be discarded............you don't "believe" in that, regardless of whether you do or do not believe in a god.

how can my belief in God be harmful ? no i dont have any religion myself and i never will and yes i genuinely hate all religions equally the world would be much better off without any religions whatsoever and i think that will happen.

[robvalue]

The basis of anti-theism, I believe, is that irrational beliefs are fundamentally potentially harmful. It's just a more subtle form of harm.

Any time someone has a belief which doesn't correlate well with reality, it may cause them to make sub-optimal decisions which affect themselves and others.

This is why I encourage scepticism and clear thinking so much, because it's in everyone's interest to hold beliefs that are as correct as possible. This applies to beliefs about absolutely everything, not just God or religion. I'm in no way saying, "Just agree with me", I'm saying think things through at a fundamental level. Examine what assumptions you are making, why you are making them, and if those assumptions are necessary. Examine what reasons you have for beliefs, and whether they are supported by evidence.

I'm not here to tell anyone what conclusions to reach, not at all. If people just have a good think, then I'm happy, whatever the result.

I'm also not in the business of going around telling people which of their beliefs they should have and which they shouldn't; I can only put forward arguments and evidence for what I consider to be rational positions. I can be wrong as much as anyone else so I'm never expecting anyone to see me as an authority.

Wow that was weird... I hope I got my point across

[jenny1972]

The basis of anti-theism, I believe, is that irrational beliefs are fundamentally potentially harmful. It's just a more subtle form of harm.

Any time someone has a belief which doesn't correlate well with reality, it may cause them to make sub-optimal decisions which affect themselves and others.

This is why I encourage scepticism and clear thinking so much, because it's in everyone's interest to hold beliefs that are as correct as possible. This applies to beliefs about absolutely everything, not just God or religion. I'm in no way saying, "Just agree with me", I'm saying think things through at a fundamental level. Examine what assumptions you are making, why you are making them, and if those assumptions are necessary. Examine what reasons you have for beliefs, and whether they are supported by evidence.

I'm not here to tell anyone what conclusions to reach, not at all. If people just have a good think, then I'm happy, whatever the result.

I'm also not in the business of going around telling people which of their beliefs they should have and which they shouldn't; I can only put forward arguments and evidence for what I consider to be rational positions. I can be wrong as much as anyone else so I'm never expecting anyone to see me as an authority.

Wow that was weird... I hope I got my point across

it wasnt weird it was completely logical and i do understand what your saying and i am a critical and skeptical person in general but about God i have been convinced , but with other things i do not believe in . the belief in God is not really an anti social concept many people believe that God exists or assume that God exist even if they have no personal relationship with God (religion however is very anti social) , but really i have no choice in my belief just as you have no choice in your disbelief . belief is not about choice you cannot force yourself to believe in God you have to be convinced , i cannot force myself to be an atheist any more than you can force yourself to believe your either convinced or not convinced through proof or lack of proof

[The Grand Nudger]

Except your own, surely.  Which just means, on that count, that you're a run of the mill theist.  

-Unless you'd lump your own beliefs in as harmful...as a thing that should be discarded............you don't "believe" in that, regardless of whether you do or do not believe in a god.

how can my belief in God be harmful ?

You believe in anti-theism....shouldn't you be able tell me?  In fact, aren't you uniquely positioned to answer that very question?

no i dont have any religion myself and i never will  and yes i genuinely hate all religions equally the world would be much better off without any religions whatsoever and i think that will happen.

That would be anti-religious.  Not anti-theism.  If there were a religion that held, as it's only article of faith, that building houses for poor people was mans purpose in life......anti-theism doesn't have any beef with that. I think that your initial label was fine, I don't think that antitheism is a very accurate description of your position, I don't think you believe in anti-theism (every time I say this it makes me giggle)...that's all. Nothing wrong with that, ofc.