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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 5, 2015 at 10:33 pm
(November 5, 2015 at 6:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: Five years for killing three kids.
Should have been life.
Yes, it matters. Especially if there is current evidence of abuse.
Good thing she didn't do something really heinous, like be accused of growing medical marijuana. That'll get you 30 years.
So I've heard. 
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 5, 2015 at 10:42 pm
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2015 at 12:17 am by Homeless Nutter.)
Oh, let her have her kids, you big meanies. What's the worst thing that can happen? Sure - she might drawn these 3 kids too, when she's bored with them, but they are her kids and therefore - her property... 
Fuck me. 5 years after you fail to pay your credit card balance - you still can't get another credit card. But of course - 5 years is A LOT of time for child-killers to change their ways...
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 5, 2015 at 10:55 pm
(November 5, 2015 at 10:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (November 5, 2015 at 6:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: Five years for killing three kids.
Should have been life.
Yes, it matters. Especially if there is current evidence of abuse.
Good thing she didn't do something really heinous, like be accused of growing medical marijuana. That'll get you 30 years.
So I've heard.
Having a broken tail light gets you executed by the cops.... and none of this bullshit "trial" stuff, either.
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 6, 2015 at 12:14 am
(November 5, 2015 at 10:42 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Fuck me. 5 years after you fail to pay your credit card balance - you still can't get another credit card. But of course - 5 years is A LOT of time for a child-killers to change their ways...
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 6, 2015 at 12:47 am
She replaced what she broke. What more do you want?
Geez.
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 6, 2015 at 12:58 am
(November 5, 2015 at 9:44 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (November 5, 2015 at 7:53 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: A woman who puts her man in front of her kids ought not be a parent again. If the state has to step in in order to make it so, even this libertarian can accept that.
If someone, anyone, even his mother had tried to drown my son, I would happily serve whatever term I was assigned for killing the person. And if I stood by and watched, doing nothing, I should expect the opprobrium of society; and that includes not being entrusted with children any more. After all, if I failed to protect my own flesh and blood, what claim might I have to be a good guardian?
I am not saying this is what happened, just playing devil's advocate.
But if this woman were so dependent on the man for drugs and he kept her high all the time, impairing her judgement to a point that he had complete control over her, that is a situation which I think a person can come back from and not be 100% culpable for those actions. She is responsible, she was complicit in an unspeakable event, but I don't think she would deserve a lifetime without her own family in this hypothetical.
All I am saying is that I could see a situation where taking her kids now on the sole basis of this past event would be unconstitutional. Now, since the state is saying there is evidence of abuse, then I hope she has her day in court.
If she put drugs in front of her children, that too would be a deleterious mark against a mother, don't you agree?
I'm not arguing that fostering her children right now is constitutional. I am saying that she has no business mothering any other children, and that the state has a duty to observe and regulate any interaction she has with children. That's my opinion; if you add a couple of bucks to it you might get a cuppa joe at Starbucks.
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 6, 2015 at 12:59 am
(November 5, 2015 at 10:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (November 5, 2015 at 6:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: Five years for killing three kids.
Should have been life.
Yes, it matters. Especially if there is current evidence of abuse.
Good thing she didn't do something really heinous, like be accused of growing medical marijuana. That'll get you 30 years.
So I've heard.
It's a gateway crime, obv. You might do something really serious, like treat a medical condition or something.
Hello, Feds?
It's a goddamn plant.
A. Plant.
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 6, 2015 at 1:14 am
(November 6, 2015 at 12:59 am)Skeletor Wrote: (November 5, 2015 at 10:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Good thing she didn't do something really heinous, like be accused of growing medical marijuana. That'll get you 30 years.
So I've heard.
It's a gateway crime, obv. You might do something really serious, like treat a medical condition or something.
Hello, Feds?
It's a goddamn plant.
A. Plant.
But Skeletor; so is deadly nightshade.
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 6, 2015 at 1:35 am
(November 5, 2015 at 6:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: We don't have rules in place to prevent people from becoming parents. Hastily acting to deny her that right could set a dangerous precedent.
Most definitely. As always, the problem becomes where to draw the line. Once religion and politics go full force at it, the line starts moving and getting grey.
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RE: Should this womans past matter?
November 6, 2015 at 1:37 am
(November 5, 2015 at 10:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Good thing she didn't do something really heinous, like be accused of growing medical marijuana. That'll get you 30 years.
When I first got to Texas, it was 20 years to life for possession of a joint.
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