A question about hell

[Cecelia]

The destruction of the soul (I personally feel) will depend on how 'evil' that soul was in life. For instance I think a aldof Hitler will be in Hell a lot longer than some poor d-bag atheist who did not want to give up porn and weed, and came up with all sorts of 'loop holes/reason' he thought a 'good God' would not send him to hell. Even so, destruction comes in the way of waves of brutal panic and torment till the thin threads that hold a mind together simple get consumed/being eaten by hell fire. again if this were second years or eons it still does not count as an eternity.

And how long will it be for the non-believer (In Christ) Jews that Hitler killed? Will the Holocaust Jews be suffer just a little, or a lot?

Also to be honest you sound just as twisted as your god sounds, getting off on the idea that Atheists will be sent to hell, mostly because Atheists dismiss your brand of bullshit. You can't convince them in this life, so you have wet dreams that they'll be tortured for not listening to you in the next life.

[Drich]

So there's no literal "realm of eternal torment"? I wish God had cleared that up, could've prevented a lot of stress.

Don't give  it much thought it's a bunch of bullshit. The OT says there is no hell you would just be scorned for awhile before being let into heaven.
The idea of hell came around as a late addition along with jeebus.

The OT Refers to Sheol Which is the After life version of death. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS DESCRIBES WITH THE WORD HELL! He Is Telling Us That Afterlife, Dying Is Hell Literally! The when we die in the afterlife, we don't just goto sleep like we do in this life. That our being/soul is consumed/Eaten by Hell Fire. The Result being Sheol/Death/The Grave Which again is consistant with the OT.

[Drich]

Maybe God is not something small enough to be shown, but something you have to go to see. (Not to mention no other religion offers access to its 'god' unless you claim to be a prophet or emissary. Not even OT Judaism, You are just pretending to know what your talking about)

So youre saying a person can never want anything..

So is it your assumption that those who do follow God don't have to deal with those things?

ISIS and the Taliban do not worship the God of Abraham. They claim to worship the God of Abraham. That is the difference between being a fighter pilot and just telling everyone you are. just because you play ace's high on line does not mean you are a fighter pilot, nor does it give you the right to claim to be one. Hirihito was the Japanese Emperor who decided to bomb pearl harbor and also decided not to fight WWII in accordance with the Genevia convention. The point I was making by citing two religions who men use for evil and two non religious goverments where men used evil to claim power, is to show a commonality, that evil exists with or with the pretense of religion. The commonality is evil hearted men.

If someone killed an immortal being, how is that a finite crime? Now what if 'someone' killed a whole planet's worth of Immortal beings? Now what if someone kill every Immortal being from the time a planet hosted the first couple to the very last immortal being on said planet to ever be created? How could one who intentionally/with malice killed a whole Species of immortals ever atone for his crime? in your **Cough/Joke** "Morality" would you execute said guilty Immortal or would you give him life in prison without parole?

Who said anything about a slave running away? I said slave do not have free will, is that correct??? in the liberties given a slave, is a slave still not responsible for the choices he makes if he takes his liberties too far???
For instance, say a slave owner offered a slave a wife and told him he could have marry any girl that would have him, but instead, he rapes some young girl and forces her to be his wife. Do you think that slave is not responsible for his actions? Do you think he will not be held accountable for his actions even if he does not have 'free will?"

Since you can't be bothered to put in a few quote tags I'd thought I'd do the same.

Because Dirch when it comes down to it let's say if god existed the notion of justice is thrown out the window.
You can go and pillage rape steal etc. then all you have to do is pray to god and accept jesus and be saved from your transgressions. 
With that way thinking it is dangerous yet your book says do no to this do not do that and why is that a country that is mostly christians and christians are a heavy majority in jail. While get this atheists and mostly secular non god believing countries have less crime and overall are doing much more better. One would wonder the idea of hell should scare anyone to getting on the right path but why is it that non believers and atheists make better christians than actual christians who follow the bible.

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[Drich]

The destruction of the soul (I personally feel) will depend on how 'evil' that soul was in life. For instance I think a aldof Hitler will be in Hell a lot longer than some poor d-bag atheist who did not want to give up porn and weed, and came up with all sorts of 'loop holes/reason' he thought a 'good God' would not send him to hell. Even so, destruction comes in the way of waves of brutal panic and torment till the thin threads that hold a mind together simple get consumed/being eaten by hell fire. again if this were second years or eons it still does not count as an eternity.

Why would Hitler be in Hell?

for the same reason everyone else is.

[Drich]

Maybe God is not something small enough to be shown, but something you have to go to see. (Not to mention no other religion offers access to its 'god' unless you claim to be a prophet or emissary. Not even OT Judaism, You are just pretending to know what your talking about)

So youre saying a person can never want anything..

So is it your assumption that those who do follow God don't have to deal with those things?

ISIS and the Taliban do not worship the God of Abraham. They claim to worship the God of Abraham. That is the difference between being a fighter pilot and just telling everyone you are. just because you play ace's high on line does not mean you are a fighter pilot, nor does it give you the right to claim to be one. Hirihito was the Japanese Emperor who decided to bomb pearl harbor and also decided not to fight WWII in accordance with the Genevia convention. The point I was making by citing two religions who men use for evil and two non religious goverments where men used evil to claim power, is to show a commonality, that evil exists with or with the pretense of religion. The commonality is evil hearted men.

If someone killed an immortal being, how is that a finite crime? Now what if 'someone' killed a whole planet's worth of Immortal beings? Now what if someone kill every Immortal being from the time a planet hosted the first couple to the very last immortal being on said planet to ever be created? How could one who intentionally/with malice killed a whole Species of immortals ever atone for his crime? in your **Cough/Joke** "Morality" would you execute said guilty Immortal or would you give him life in prison without parole?

Who said anything about a slave running away? I said slave do not have free will, is that correct??? in the liberties given a slave, is a slave still not responsible for the choices he makes if he takes his liberties too far???
For instance, say a slave owner offered a slave a wife and told him he could have marry any girl that would have him, but instead, he rapes some young girl and forces her to be his wife. Do you think that slave is not responsible for his actions? Do you think he will not be held accountable for his actions even if he does not have 'free will?"

Since you can't be bothered to put in a few quote tags I'd thought I'd do the same.

Other religions don't say that everyone can talk to god. That's only an issue if christians can prove that they're able to talk to god. Which they can't. You can find a lot of people claiming to talk to the same guy, yet are willing to kill each other over what that god is supposedly saying.

I meant a place, thing, or idea can't want anything. If he's not a person, then I'm not going to worship it. That's why I'm not a pantheist or something.

I don't see much difference between worship someone you can't prove exists, and claiming to. Either way you're folllowing what someone tells you, or what someone wrote in a book.

Yes evil people will do evil things regardless of religion. That wasn't what I meant when I talked about people bettering themselves, and you know that. I was showing that most of your examples are bunk anyway, because they're examples of dictators and religious extremists. It's not a very good point.

Killing an immortal being is a finite crime because it's a finite action. Spending a limited amount of time doing anything wrong is still a finite crime. Executing someone who does, or giving them life imprisonment would still be finite, unless he's immortal. Imprisoning an immortal being for eternity, or torturing them for eternity would be evil. Given eternity, you will eventually make up for wrongdoing. We don't imprison people depending on the estimated life someone might have had if they hadn't been killed.

I thought you were implying that we don't have free will. I believe we do. Though I also believe Yahweh has a very warped sense of morality which makes the idea of "sin" a moot point.

Actually they can.(provide proof) or rather you could if you were Christian. do you have examples of this? Before you say muslims ask yourself or maybe google a muslim prayer. Again they are not talking to God nor do they expect to get any instruction back from him that is not in their book/from a prophet the religion recognizes. You are assuming all religions teach the same thing. Again Christianity is very unique in it's claims, why? because a religion will not last as long as Christianity has making the claims that it does if it does not deliver.
Those claims being deliverable in this life and not the next like all other 'religions.' That means the vast majority of believers have made good/collected on the promises offered. In other religions people are content in simply living in faith that the next life will be rewarded.

you did not address the entire premise. why? does your point not stand when viewed through the lenses of all the conditions I placed on the situation?

We don't have free will. for instance if I wanted to stop sinning with all the will I possessed I couldn't. We are all slaves to sin. (among other things) Meaning our will is not free to do as we please (plus if you google the philosophy of free will their are a lot of compelling arguments (secular arguments) that disprove the idea of freewill as well. In any case as a slave we have been given choices to make. And like the slave (who's will is limited by his master) who has been given a few choices to make, we too will be held accountable to the decisions we make.

Just because you do not have totally free will, it does not mean you haven't been given choice. that is where the philosophy of 'free will' fails, and probably why it is not a biblical precept, but rather the bible tells us we are all slaves.

[Drich]

The destruction of the soul (I personally feel) will depend on how 'evil' that soul was in life. For instance I think a aldof Hitler will be in Hell a lot longer than some poor d-bag atheist who did not want to give up porn and weed, and came up with all sorts of 'loop holes/reason' he thought a 'good God' would not send him to hell. Even so, destruction comes in the way of waves of brutal panic and torment till the thin threads that hold a mind together simple get consumed/being eaten by hell fire. again if this were second years or eons it still does not count as an eternity.

And how long will it be for the non-believer (In Christ) Jews that Hitler killed?  Will the Holocaust Jews be suffer just a little, or a lot?

what makes you think all those jews will be in Hell?

Also to be honest you sound just as twisted as your god sounds, getting off on the idea that Atheists will be sent to hell, mostly because Atheists dismiss your brand of bullshit.  You can't convince them in this life, so you have wet dreams that they'll be tortured for not listening to you in the next life.

[Chad32]

Other religions don't say that everyone can talk to god. That's only an issue if christians can prove that they're able to talk to god. Which they can't. You can find a lot of people claiming to talk to the same guy, yet are willing to kill each other over what that god is supposedly saying.

I meant a place, thing, or idea can't want anything. If he's not a person, then I'm not going to worship it. That's why I'm not a pantheist or something.

I don't see much difference between worship someone you can't prove exists, and claiming to. Either way you're folllowing what someone tells you, or what someone wrote in a book.

Yes evil people will do evil things regardless of religion. That wasn't what I meant when I talked about people bettering themselves, and you know that. I was showing that most of your examples are bunk anyway, because they're examples of dictators and religious extremists. It's not a very good point.

Killing an immortal being is a finite crime because it's a finite action. Spending a limited amount of time doing anything wrong is still a finite crime. Executing someone who does, or giving them life imprisonment would still be finite, unless he's immortal. Imprisoning an immortal being for eternity, or torturing them for eternity would be evil. Given eternity, you will eventually make up for wrongdoing. We don't imprison people depending on the estimated life someone might have had if they hadn't been killed.

I thought you were implying that we don't have free will. I believe we do. Though I also believe Yahweh has a very warped sense of morality which makes the idea of "sin" a moot point.

Actually they can.(provide proof) or rather you could if you were Christian. do you have examples of this? Before you say muslims ask yourself or maybe google a muslim prayer. Again they are not talking to God nor do they expect to get any instruction back from him that is not in their book/from a prophet the religion recognizes. You are assuming all religions teach the same thing. Again Christianity is very unique in it's claims, why? because a religion will not last as long as Christianity has making the claims that it does if it does not deliver.
Those claims being deliverable in this life and not the next like all other 'religions.' That means the vast majority of believers have made good/collected on the promises offered. In other religions people are content in simply living in faith that the next life will be rewarded.

you did not address the entire premise. why? does your point not stand when viewed through the lenses of all the conditions I placed on the situation?

We don't have free will. for instance if I wanted to stop sinning with all the will I possessed I couldn't. We are all slaves to sin. (among other things) Meaning our will is not free to do as we please (plus if you google the philosophy of free will their are a lot of compelling arguments (secular arguments) that disprove the idea of freewill as well. In any case as a slave we have been given choices to make. And like the slave (who's will is limited by his master) who has been given a few choices to make, we too will be held accountable to the decisions we make.

Just because you do not have totally free will, it does not mean you haven't been given choice. that is where the philosophy of 'free will' fails, and probably why it is not a biblical precept, but rather the bible tells us we are all slaves.

Christians can't prove they're talking to god, and he's talking back. If they could, we wouldn't be debating this thousands of years after he supposedly started talking to people. Whether prayer works or not is a testable claim, and it has failed. This is why some people say that god can do anything that also has some natural cause, but nothing that doesn't. Cancer goes into remission, and people come back from comas if their brain is still in one piece, but limbs don't regrow themselves.

I may have missed something, and need to reread. Can you repeat that part?

The only reason we can't stop sinning if we want to is because the one who claims we're sinning has set the bar impossibly high. If someone puts you in a hole too big to jump out of, and tells you you can leave as soon as you jump out, it's not your fault that you can't do it. Whether we have free will or not, I'm not too worried about my choices in life. If the guy upstairs wants to be stupid enough to believe looking at someone with lust is the same as adultery, I can't help it. Just don't be angry at me for  not being able to control my thoughts.

[Drich]

Actually they can.(provide proof) or rather you could if you were Christian. do you have examples of this? Before you say muslims ask yourself or maybe google a muslim prayer. Again they are not talking to God nor do they expect to get any instruction back from him that is not in their book/from a prophet the religion recognizes. You are assuming all religions teach the same thing. Again Christianity is very unique in it's claims, why? because a religion will not last as long as Christianity has making the claims that it does if it does not deliver.
Those claims being deliverable in this life and not the next like all other 'religions.' That means the vast majority of believers have made good/collected on the promises offered. In other religions people are content in simply living in faith that the next life will be rewarded.

you did not address the entire premise. why? does your point not stand when viewed through the lenses of all the conditions I placed on the situation?

We don't have free will. for instance if I wanted to stop sinning with all the will I possessed I couldn't. We are all slaves to sin. (among other things) Meaning our will is not free to do as we please (plus if you google the philosophy of free will their are a lot of compelling arguments (secular arguments) that disprove the idea of freewill as well. In any case as a slave we have been given choices to make. And like the slave (who's will is limited by his master) who has been given a few choices to make, we too will be held accountable to the decisions we make.

Just because you do not have totally free will, it does not mean you haven't been given choice. that is where the philosophy of 'free will' fails, and probably why it is not a biblical precept, but rather the bible tells us we are all slaves.

Christians can't prove they're talking to god, and he's talking back. If they could, we wouldn't be debating this thousands of years after he supposedly started talking to people. Whether prayer works or not is a testable claim, and it has failed. This is why some people say that god can do anything that also has some natural cause, but nothing that doesn't. Cancer goes into remission, and people come back from comas if their brain is still in one piece, but limbs don't regrow themselves.

I may have missed something, and need to reread. Can you repeat that part?

The only reason we can't stop sinning if we want to is because the one who claims we're sinning has set the bar impossibly high. If someone puts you in a hole too big to jump out of, and tells you you can leave as soon as you jump out, it's not your fault that you can't do it. Whether we have free will or not, I'm not too worried about my choices in life. If the guy upstairs wants to be stupid enough to believe looking at someone with lust is the same as adultery, I can't help it. Just don't be angry at me for  not being able to control my thoughts.

I'm telling we can. their is no debate when you experience this for yourself. The debate comes when someone who does not want this to be true ignores and discounts everything God has done and refuses to seek God themselves. Prayer nor any of your examples of petitioning God for favors is not what I am talking about. although that in my case with an ongoing Cancer diagnostic and AIDS has been true so far.. I am talking about literally receiving a measure or portion of the Holy Spirit, to direct Guide and teach you. A portion of What I do here is a direct reflection of that. I answer questions confront supposed contradictions and faith ending paradoxes, the same stuff that took most/all of you out spiritually I've been given answers to. Most of which would be miles over my head. And the part that I know is from God comes from the fact that I get an answer or direction first, then google supporting material/references. This includes knowledge of languages I do not speak nor have formally studied, knowledge of ancient cities, placement, culture. knowledge of historical figures, and historical documents. Stuff, time, people none of which have I ever studied. Then I google an idea or key word that I'm given, and I find 'proof' that what I've been given is indeed document historical fact.

IDK if it was you or someone else that called what I do the 'drich rope a dope.' Where one of you thinks you got me on the ropes with some fact or concept that your pushing, and all of the sudden 'boom' I lay out something that just destroys the opposition's argument. 9 times out of 10 that is not intentional. I simply go with what God gives me, when he gives it to me. Yes I choose my words very carfully, because I know I must honor what I have been given to understand completely in order for God to fully support what it is I do here. Otherwise I would not be able to stand and defend what I believe with my current level of education.

When you/I have the Holy Spirit the 'proof' comes in the way of knowledge first. Not just one or twice or even a few times... I've been defending the faith for almost 10 years now, and little has changed from the first post to this one. Granted I have learned a tremoundous amount (It sounds strange, but by answering your questions I learn things I never knew.) this knowledge/wisdom is far beyond my own limits, which are known by me. and, because I know my limits and see the things I am able to do despite my limits (day in day out over the period of years/almost a decade) I find/found the proof I needed.. I know it may not be enough for you to hear me talk about it, but Imagine if you could experience what I have described for yourself, or something equally as amazing daily. Something far above and beyond your limits and abilities. would this be proof for you?

That is what Christ offers in Luke 11... That level of 'proof' if we simply A/S/K for it and remain faithful to what he gives.

The parameters of my killing an immortal are all found back in that post.

What is lust? it's a thought is it not? Are you telling me that not having full control over your thoughts has nothing to do with 'free will?' I would think 'free will' would start at having complete control over how I think. But to you and your version of 'free will' not having control of your thoughts is 'proof' of your free will? how does that work?

[SofaKingHigh]

Christians can't prove they're talking to god, and he's talking back. If they could, we wouldn't be debating this thousands of years after he supposedly started talking to people. Whether prayer works or not is a testable claim, and it has failed. This is why some people say that god can do anything that also has some natural cause, but nothing that doesn't. Cancer goes into remission, and people come back from comas if their brain is still in one piece, but limbs don't regrow themselves.

I may have missed something, and need to reread. Can you repeat that part?

The only reason we can't stop sinning if we want to is because the one who claims we're sinning has set the bar impossibly high. If someone puts you in a hole too big to jump out of, and tells you you can leave as soon as you jump out, it's not your fault that you can't do it. Whether we have free will or not, I'm not too worried about my choices in life. If the guy upstairs wants to be stupid enough to believe looking at someone with lust is the same as adultery, I can't help it. Just don't be angry at me for  not being able to control my thoughts.

I'm telling we can. their is no debate when you experience this for yourself. The debate comes when someone who does not want this to be true ignores and discounts everything God has done and refuses to seek God themselves. Prayer nor any of your examples of petitioning God for favors is not what I am talking about. although that in my case with an ongoing Cancer diagnostic and AIDS has been true so far.. I am talking about literally receiving a measure or portion of the Holy Spirit, to direct Guide and teach you. A portion of What I do here is a direct reflection of that. I answer questions confront supposed contradictions and faith ending paradoxes, the same stuff that took most/all of you out spiritually I've been given answers to. Most of which would be miles over my head. And the part that I know is from God comes from the fact that I get an answer or direction first, then google supporting material/references. This includes knowledge of languages I do not speak nor have formally studied, knowledge of ancient cities, placement, culture. knowledge of historical figures, and historical documents. Stuff, time, people none of which have I ever studied. Then I google an idea or key word that I'm given, and I find 'proof' that what I've been given is indeed document historical fact.

IDK if it was you or someone else that called what I do the 'drich rope a dope.' Where one of you thinks you got me on the ropes with some fact or concept that your pushing, and all of the sudden 'boom' I lay out something that just destroys the opposition's argument. 9 times out of 10 that is not intentional. I simply go with what God gives me, when he gives it to me. Yes I choose my words very carfully, because I know I must honor what I have been given to understand completely in order for God to fully support what it is I do here. Otherwise I would not be able to stand and defend what I believe with my current level of education.

When you/I have the Holy Spirit the 'proof' comes in the way of knowledge first. Not just one or twice or even a few times... I've been defending the faith for almost 10 years now, and little has changed from the first post to this one. Granted I have learned a tremoundous amount (It sounds strange, but by answering your questions I learn things I never knew.) this knowledge/wisdom is far beyond my own limits, which are known by me. and, because I know my limits and see the things I am able to do despite my limits (day in day out over the period of years/almost a decade) I find/found the proof I needed.. I know it may not be enough for you to hear me talk about it, but Imagine if you could experience what I have described for yourself, or something equally as amazing daily. Something far above and beyond your limits and abilities. would this be proof for you?

That is what Christ offers in Luke 11... That level of 'proof' if we simply A/S/K for it and remain faithful to what he gives.

The parameters of my killing an immortal are all found back in that post.

What is lust? it's a thought is it not? Are you telling me that not having full control over your thoughts has nothing to do with 'free will?' I would think 'free will' would start at having complete control over how I think. But to you and your version of 'free will' not having control of your thoughts is 'proof' of your free will? how does that work?

Could you describe an instance of you receiving a portion of the holy spirit please?  Genuinely interested.

[Chad32]

Christians can't prove they're talking to god, and he's talking back. If they could, we wouldn't be debating this thousands of years after he supposedly started talking to people. Whether prayer works or not is a testable claim, and it has failed. This is why some people say that god can do anything that also has some natural cause, but nothing that doesn't. Cancer goes into remission, and people come back from comas if their brain is still in one piece, but limbs don't regrow themselves.

I may have missed something, and need to reread. Can you repeat that part?

The only reason we can't stop sinning if we want to is because the one who claims we're sinning has set the bar impossibly high. If someone puts you in a hole too big to jump out of, and tells you you can leave as soon as you jump out, it's not your fault that you can't do it. Whether we have free will or not, I'm not too worried about my choices in life. If the guy upstairs wants to be stupid enough to believe looking at someone with lust is the same as adultery, I can't help it. Just don't be angry at me for  not being able to control my thoughts.

I'm telling we can. their is no debate when you experience this for yourself. The debate comes when someone who does not want this to be true ignores and discounts everything God has done and refuses to seek God themselves. Prayer nor any of your examples of petitioning God for favors is not what I am talking about. although that in my case with an ongoing Cancer diagnostic and AIDS has been true so far.. I am talking about literally receiving a measure or portion of the Holy Spirit, to direct Guide and teach you. A portion of What I do here is a direct reflection of that. I answer questions confront supposed contradictions and faith ending paradoxes, the same stuff that took most/all of you out spiritually I've been given answers to. Most of which would be miles over my head. And the part that I know is from God comes from the fact that I get an answer or direction first, then google supporting material/references. This includes knowledge of languages I do not speak nor have formally studied, knowledge of ancient cities, placement, culture. knowledge of historical figures, and historical documents. Stuff, time, people none of which have I ever studied. Then I google an idea or key word that I'm given, and I find 'proof' that what I've been given is indeed document historical fact.

IDK if it was you or someone else that called what I do the 'drich rope a dope.' Where one of you thinks you got me on the ropes with some fact or concept that your pushing, and all of the sudden 'boom' I lay out something that just destroys the opposition's argument. 9 times out of 10 that is not intentional. I simply go with what God gives me, when he gives it to me. Yes I choose my words very carfully, because I know I must honor what I have been given to understand completely in order for God to fully support what it is I do here. Otherwise I would not be able to stand and defend what I believe with my current level of education.

When you/I have the Holy Spirit the 'proof' comes in the way of knowledge first. Not just one or twice or even a few times... I've been defending the faith for almost 10 years now, and little has changed from the first post to this one. Granted I have learned a tremoundous amount (It sounds strange, but by answering your questions I learn things I never knew.) this knowledge/wisdom is far beyond my own limits, which are known by me. and, because I know my limits and see the things I am able to do despite my limits (day in day out over the period of years/almost a decade) I find/found the proof I needed.. I know it may not be enough for you to hear me talk about it, but Imagine if you could experience what I have described for yourself, or something equally as amazing daily. Something far above and beyond your limits and abilities. would this be proof for you?

That is what Christ offers in Luke 11... That level of 'proof' if we simply A/S/K for it and remain faithful to what he gives.

The parameters of my killing an immortal are all found back in that post.

What is lust? it's a thought is it not? Are you telling me that not having full control over your thoughts has nothing to do with 'free will?' I would think 'free will' would start at having complete control over how I think. But to you and your version of 'free will' not having control of your thoughts is 'proof' of your free will? how does that work?

You're telling we can? I'm sure I can find another christian who tells me he can too, but if I get you both in a room you won't agree on some of the things this one guy is telling you. So either it's not really true, or Jesus is really crappy at communication. Hence the wars between christians on how to properly worship the same god. I'm afraid that claiming to know things you didn't know before isn't really proof, because there's no way for the rest of us to really test it. People have made careers out of supposedly knowing things they shouldn't, and called themselves psychics, but that's still not very consistent.

I may have said this before, but if someone wants a relationship with me, they have to initiate it. No god has initiated a conversation with me on a level I've been able to notice and show to other people.

Oh, the killing an immortal part. ok. How could an immortal being atone for the crime of killing an immortal? Community service. Doing favors for the family. Though if it's the whole species, then doing good for the next species? I don't know about specifics. Burning someone alive for eternity has no constructive result. It's just watching someone scream in agony endlessly.

Free will is being able to act the way you want to act. Having autonomy. Granted being able to think your own thoughts is needed to act how you want to act, but it doesn't mean having complete control over the thoughts you have. People should be judged by their actions. Not their thoughts. That's why I think the god of the bible is evil. He says he's the good guy, but he acts like a psycho.