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Evidence God Exists
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OK. And anyway his godevidence was nothing new, but the same old monotheistic ramblings. But I was curious if he was "hit and run" or would have liked to discuss them with me.
With my doublepost I wanted to brand his doublepost. That was wrong, I know that now. I did not know about the proper way to deal with it. 
little report button. If you want to discuss and debate polytheistic evidence vs Christian evidence, feel free to start a debate.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari  (December 29, 2010 at 12:14 pm)tackattack Wrote: No please do not repost something that has been administrativly deleted. Some of the other moderators felt I was being too soft as usual and removed him in his entirety. That's the concensus and I support that. If you wish do discuss points relevant to this topic, do it without referece to a troll, and try to do it with some semblance of credulity please. Press on. sorry taky...I'm a bit confused...wasn't this thread split off?? Hence my commment. Who are you wanting to STFU?? "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
not you my dear. That was part of the warning for the troll interruption of Regens and his seemingly endless supply of internet "stalkers" in an otherwise slow but still viable thread.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari  RE: Evidence God Exists
January 5, 2011 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2011 at 3:20 pm by AngelThMan.)
Thor Wrote:We can't DISPROVE the existence of "God". How many times do we have to say this? We CAN, however, disprove the effectiveness of prayer. In fact, WE HAVE! http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health....html?_r=1And how many times must Christians point out that the effectiveness of prayer cannot be proven with scientific studies or tests? God will not allow it to happen. Think about it: If God wants belief in him and prayer to be based solely on faith, why would he allow any scientific test to yield accurate results? In fact, even if a test wasn't specifically conducted, but a random sample was taken later of people who prayed and people who didn't, God would know ahead of time and would nullify such study by equalizing the results. AngelThMan Wrote:You pointed to the 9/11 disaster to demonstrate that prayer doesn't work, since there must've been many Christians among those who died. But you're failing to acknowledge that while many people died, many others also got away. Thor Wrote:Yes, many people escaped the disaster. And people like you see a plane crash where three people survive and 197 die, and point to the three people as evidence of "God's" miraculous powers.Even if everyone died, it's because God had determined that their time on earth was up. If God wanted to save you, he would have found a way to keep you from getting on that plane. AngelThMan Wrote:I was just countering his claim by providing possible scenarios that could've occurred during that tragedy which do not contradict or deny the existence or God and the power of prayer. Thor Wrote:Yeah, "possible scenarios" for which you have no evidence...Uhh... 'possible scenarios' don't need any evidence because they are in fact... 'possible scenarios.' 
How do you know these things?
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January 5, 2011 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2011 at 3:42 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
AngelThMan Wrote:And how many times must Christians point out that the effectiveness of prayer cannot be proven with scientific studies or tests? God will not allow it to happen. Think about it: If God wants belief in him and prayer to be based solely on faith, why would he allow any scientific test to yield accurate results? In fact, even if a test wasn't specifically conducted, but a random sample was taken later of people who prayed and people who didn't, God would know ahead of time and would nullify such study by equalizing the results.You do understand how these tests work, don't you? The tests for prayer are simple - if prayer is effective, it'll yield results. Which is to say either prayer will work or it will not. The only way for god to foil these results are to NOT ANSWER THE PRAYERS (all of them) and have the results of praying be exactly the same as not praying. So far, according to all attempts to measure such an outcome, not praying is exactly as effective as not praying. Thus, prayer is not effective at all. Saying otherwise just makes you look like you don't know what you're saying. AngelThMan Wrote:Even if everyone died, it's because God had determined that their time on earth was up. If God wanted to save you, he would have found a way to keep you from getting on that plane.Or god doesn't exist and things happen anyway.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan RE: Evidence God Exists
January 5, 2011 at 3:49 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2011 at 3:51 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
To play Devil's Advocate: Whenever the validity of prayer is tested God creates a universal illusion that it doesn't work to punish us for doubting him.
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January 5, 2011 at 3:59 pm
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Prayer always works when done in complete kind and understanding. A certain state of mind is required.
RE: Evidence God Exists
January 5, 2011 at 4:00 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2011 at 4:00 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
So all the prayers are insincere whenever they're tested scientifically?
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