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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:11 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 10:07 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: (December 3, 2015 at 8:03 pm)Beccs Wrote: Feminism doesn't claim to be anything - it's an idea, a movement, an all-encompassing word for the equal rights for women.
Feminists, interpret the meaning to suit their agenda, whatever that may be. The majority do want equal rights for the sexes, but since, in many ways, women are those who have been denied equal rights, the primary goal is to get those rights for women, after all, it's predominantly women leading the movement.
There are extremists in the group, who hate men. Those are a minority and not representative of the movement as a whole. They just happen to be the ones who get all the publicity.
You should read what you say, and then keep readng it until you recognize just how hysterically similar your arguments are to the Muslims who insist their reiligion is of peace, and only a fringe minority among them condone violence against anybody who disagrees with them. Fact is that every single Muslim accepts the Quran with less filtering than the typical Christian (60% hold a literalist view of their bible and believe the earth was created in 65 days), and no Muslims have stepped forth to condemn the stoning of adulterous women (this can only happen to women by Islamic law), and none of them condemn any of the violence which is being practiced by al Quaida, Taliban, or ISIS.
What you call yourself does in fact matter, and a lot more than you would think it does. Call yourself something which does in fact include everyone, and you would have my full support (so long as you live up to what it says of you, and I believe you would do that more easily based on that alone).
Wow, really?
Comparing a group who want equal rights for women, including Muslim women, to Muslim extremists?
What's next? Dropping the Hitler bomb?
Okay so because there are extremist, women hating men, then all men fall into their agenda because they all happen to have the same genitalia?
Gotcha.
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:18 pm
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(December 3, 2015 at 10:11 pm)Beccs Wrote: (December 3, 2015 at 10:07 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: You should read what you say, and then keep readng it until you recognize just how hysterically similar your arguments are to the Muslims who insist their reiligion is of peace, and only a fringe minority among them condone violence against anybody who disagrees with them. Fact is that every single Muslim accepts the Quran with less filtering than the typical Christian (60% hold a literalist view of their bible and believe the earth was created in 65 days), and no Muslims have stepped forth to condemn the stoning of adulterous women (this can only happen to women by Islamic law), and none of them condemn any of the violence which is being practiced by al Quaida, Taliban, or ISIS.
What you call yourself does in fact matter, and a lot more than you would think it does. Call yourself something which does in fact include everyone, and you would have my full support (so long as you live up to what it says of you, and I believe you would do that more easily based on that alone).
Wow, really?
Comparing a group who want equal rights for women, including Muslim women, to Muslim extremists?
What's next? Dropping the Hitler bomb?
Okay so because there are extremist, women hating men, then all men fall into their agenda because they all happen to have the same genitalia?
Gotcha.
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:21 pm
It seems someone is just going to keep trolling this thread without truly participating in it.
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:23 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Beccs Wrote: It seems someone is just going to keep trolling this thread without truly participating in it. All you do is jerk off to the same arguments, then pat all your feminist friends on the back when they diminish everyone else's arguments.
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:23 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 9:54 pm)The_Empress Wrote: Feminism is simply a response to the inequality women have faced historically. It doesn't mean anti-egalitarianism just because some feminists are also misandrists.
^^This^^
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:31 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 10:11 pm)Beccs Wrote: (December 3, 2015 at 10:07 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: You should read what you say, and then keep readng it until you recognize just how hysterically similar your arguments are to the Muslims who insist their reiligion is of peace, and only a fringe minority among them condone violence against anybody who disagrees with them. Fact is that every single Muslim accepts the Quran with less filtering than the typical Christian (60% hold a literalist view of their bible and believe the earth was created in 65 days), and no Muslims have stepped forth to condemn the stoning of adulterous women (this can only happen to women by Islamic law), and none of them condemn any of the violence which is being practiced by al Quaida, Taliban, or ISIS.
What you call yourself does in fact matter, and a lot more than you would think it does. Call yourself something which does in fact include everyone, and you would have my full support (so long as you live up to what it says of you, and I believe you would do that more easily based on that alone).
Wow, really?
Comparing a group who want equal rights for women, including Muslim women, to Muslim extremists?
What's next? Dropping the Hitler bomb?
Okay so because there are extremist, women hating men, then all men fall into their agenda because they all happen to have the same genitalia?
Gotcha.
Yeah, that is exactly why feminists have worn out their respect, with such straw-man fallacies as that.
Godwin Alert!
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:34 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 10:23 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: (December 3, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Beccs Wrote: It seems someone is just going to keep trolling this thread without truly participating in it. All you do is jerk off to the same arguments, then pat all your feminist friends on the back when they diminish everyone else's arguments.
Your "arguments" are just repeating the same nonsense that has already been discredited and answered not just by myself, but by many people here.
of course, you have to be able to listen to facts to understand
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:35 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 4:28 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: That's only true according to Rebecca Watson and PZ Meyer's Newspeak dictionary. You can be all for equal rights and equality under the Egalitarian flag, while being much less offensive.
Yup, the most important thing - the f***ing label. Nah, we can't have the movement for equality called "feminism" - that sounds "faggy". We need a new thing - "egalitarianism", which will imply that both men and women, white and black people, religious and atheists - are all EQUALLY discriminated against. Yeah, man - those poor, mistreated "Fathers For Justice" are exactly as common as abused women. Yes, sirrrrre...
smh...
So, where are all those "egalitarians" and what exactly have they been doing about - say - pay inequality between sexes? Hmmm? Please, do enlighten me. And where were they, when feminists were fighting for women's right to vote, or their right to use contraception? Do tell...
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:35 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 10:31 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: (December 3, 2015 at 10:11 pm)Beccs Wrote: Wow, really?
Comparing a group who want equal rights for women, including Muslim women, to Muslim extremists?
What's next? Dropping the Hitler bomb?
Okay so because there are extremist, women hating men, then all men fall into their agenda because they all happen to have the same genitalia?
Gotcha.
Yeah, that is exactly why feminists have worn out their respect, with such straw-man fallacies as that.
Godwin Alert!
Accusing me of doing what you're doing.
Good tactic.
Do you want fries with that misinformation?
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RE: Why so many "anti-feminists" in the atheist community?
December 3, 2015 at 10:35 pm
(December 3, 2015 at 10:34 pm)Beccs Wrote: (December 3, 2015 at 10:23 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: All you do is jerk off to the same arguments, then pat all your feminist friends on the back when they diminish everyone else's arguments.
Your "arguments" are just repeating the same nonsense that has already been discredited and answered not just by myself, but by many people here.
of course, you have to be able to listen to facts to understand You must love the smell of your own shit.
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