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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 10, 2011 at 4:14 pm
DoubtVsFaith Wrote:Appeal to intuition?
Did I mention I didn't have rational reasons?
Quote:I am sometimes. I'm not always feeling that because I'm not always reflecting on that. Sometimes I am instead feeling an aversion to the world because of how fucked up it is.
The machine is grand it's just a case of whether I am currently feeling that the machine is mostly full of a deadly computer virus or not.
Yeah, well, sometimes there are glitches in the machine.
Quote:What's unnatural? Artificial things. Where do artificial things come from? Nature. What are they made of? Nature.
So what doesn't provide your senses with the sublime? What do you have an aversion for?
Natural as opposed to supernatural. As in, my spirituality is based on what's real rather than stories of burning bushes and parting waters. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 10, 2011 at 7:03 pm
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Ervin Wrote:I was born to a secular muslim.....
I've never heard of such a thing. What exactly is a 'secular muslim'?
Quote: So whats your opinion on Deism?
Agnostic.
Rayaan Wrote:...if the deistic god is real, He's not any better because he doesn't even do anything to make our lives better.
He's staying the fuck out of my way. That's a +1.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 10, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Deism is a crutch, a matter of comfort and projection of one's hopes onto a universe that shows no sign of a cosmic being.
To be fair it's not a totally absurd position, but the assumption of deity is unjustified.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 11, 2011 at 9:15 am
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DeistPaladin Wrote:Did I mention I didn't have rational reasons?
You did. Did I ask if that is an "appeal to intuition"?
Quote:Yeah, well, sometimes there are glitches in the machine.
Glitches are everywhere.
Quote:Natural as opposed to supernatural.
Supernature is impossible. If God exists he, naturally, exists.
Quote: As in, my spirituality is based on what's real rather than stories of burning bushes and parting waters.
Well, the part of your spirituality that isn't about a deity or anything supernatural is real, yes.
Quote: Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Sorry if I wasn't.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 11, 2011 at 10:38 am
DeistPaladin Wrote:KichigaiNeko Wrote:Yes there IS something biggDeists just don't want to own up to their own responsibilities...
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Sorry, I couldn't follow your post clearly. Can you explain?
It would be nice if you quoted correctly ....
Which part would you like to cover....remembering we are talking about opinions here.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 11, 2011 at 1:36 pm
KichigaiNeko Wrote:It would be nice if you quoted correctly ....
Which part would you like to cover....remembering we are talking about opinions here.
I try not to quote every part of a post I'm responding to. This cuts down on the use of space and clutter on a discussion board. Typically, I will edit my quotations to what's needed for the purpose of discussion.
In this case, I'm asking about how you arrived at your conclusion that we don't want to own up to our own responsibilities.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 11, 2011 at 1:40 pm
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DeistPaladin Wrote:KichigaiNeko Wrote:It would be nice if you quoted correctly ....
Which part would you like to cover....remembering we are talking about opinions here.
I try not to quote every part of a post I'm responding to. This cuts down on the use of space and clutter on a discussion board. Typically, I will edit my quotations to what's needed for the purpose of discussion.
In this case, I'm asking about how you arrived at your conclusion that we don't want to own up to our own responsibilities.
Which is not clear in your quote....
How I arrived at my conclusions is a long story. Are we talking specific as in Deist Paladin and Kichi or are we speaking generalisation of religious humans??
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 11, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@ Dotard. I don't knoe wheter a term secular muslim is the best. However it is someone who identifies him/her self as a muslim, doesn't eat pork, maybe fasts for Ramadan and leaves it at that. So, its like a non practising believer.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 12, 2011 at 9:23 am
KichigaiNeko Wrote:How I arrived at my conclusions is a long story. Are we talking specific as in Deist Paladin and Kichi or are we speaking generalisation of religious humans??
You said "deists" so that would indicate you were speaking of your general impression of deists.
Apparently, you also regard deism as a religion. Did you read my earlier post on that topic? I regard deism as more of a philosophy since there are no trappings of religion. There are no clergy, no scriptures, no taboos, no rituals, no prayers, no temples, no religious services, etc.
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RE: whats your opinion of Deism?
January 12, 2011 at 11:00 am
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Deism merely implies the belief in a deity. There aren't really any philosophical implications about that. Any philosophy on top of the deism is added.
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