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Was Hitler a Christian?
#61
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 2:19 pm)TrueChristian Wrote: Many people are fond of saying that Hitler was a Christian. Why do they say this? Nothing coudl be further from the truth.

I think people make this claim just to make Christians look bad.

He turned from Christ long before he became chancellor of Germany. However, he was not an athesit (like the people on this forum), rather he was sort of a Wiccan/neopagan as were most of the Nazis.

Don't believe me? Look at the societies he was part of:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society#Beliefs

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-v%C3%B...i_Satanism

Even if the Nazis called themselves Christians, they held many non Christian beliefs: The superiority of the Germanic race (no way jose!!!), sex before marriage is A-ok ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn), and that it is ok to dill-dally in the occult. Also, killing people is un-Christian and they did that too.

Further, many proud and stubborn atheists like to forget the fact that Hitler was never,a Christian, but in fact... a Roman Catholic. Honestly, how can you confuse the two Dodgy .

Hitler's Catholic beliefs (if he stuck too them), involved worshipping statutes of Mary, calling a priest"father", believeing in non-existant purgatory, and thinking the bible alone isn't good enough and being "Saved by works" instead of "saved by fatihe alone"

Not to toot my own horn, but checkmate athesits!!! Smile Smile Angel Angel Angel Angel Wink Smile

The God and Jesus are the same characters as any of the other versions of the bible so Catholics ARE Christians. That is as stupid as Sunnis and Shiites claiming the other are not "true Muslims", they both have Allah and Mo as their heros. FYI Hitler was his own brand of belief, Catholic/Occult/Deist...... You cannot call someone an atheist if they hold no belief in a god/deity, he did. But if you stupidly want to go there, saying all atheists love Hitler that is like all men with mustaches love Hitler.

You not liking his claims of what he thought was a god, does not make him an atheist, and even if we agreed, he was an atheist, which he was not, it does not mean all atheists value dictators. 

The childish demonizing definition of "atheist" to the believer is simply anyone who doesn't buy their version. In reality an atheist is simply one who rejects all god claims,  not just yours, and since Hitler did have an idea for himself what his god was, he cannot be called an atheist. 

And this childish argument has been beat to death for decades since that war ended. And thank you for insulting the memory of a friend I met back in the early 2000s who was an atheist and WW2 vet who fought in Europe against Hitler. 

And I doubt you'd get these guys to say Hitler was a great guy....  http://www.maaf.info

"Atheist" is not a religion, it is not a nationalistic ideology, it is not a political party and it most certainly is not a religion. "Atheist" merely means "off" on god claims. Got any more bullshit dead horse arguments, whose next, Po Pot, Stalin?
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#62
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 7:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(December 21, 2015 at 7:46 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: "The founder of the protestant movement (a German) was also notoriously anti-Jewish."

Yes, Martin Luther.  And?

Boru

You don't see a pattern of behavior there?
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#63
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 8:41 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:
(December 21, 2015 at 7:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yes, Martin Luther.  And?

Boru

You don't see a pattern of behavior there?


Yes, they're Christians.

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"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#64
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
Okay then.
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#65
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Mermaid Wrote: WTF is wrong with you?

Severe trollitus
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#66
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 8:45 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(December 21, 2015 at 8:41 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: You don't see a pattern of behavior there?


Yes, they're Christians.


Yep.

Martin Luther was a German. Much of his writings were anti-Semitic. 

There is a long history of anti-Semitism in Germany, based on Luther's writings, leading up to WWII. The majority of Christians in Germany were Protestants. 

There were almost 70 million Christians in Germany in 1939. The 'non-Christian' Hitler sure didn't have too much trouble getting the vast majority of the Christians to go along with his insanity.

What? Not a single 'real Christian' in all of Germany from the late 30's to the end of WWII?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#67
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(December 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Mermaid Wrote: WTF is wrong with you?

Severe trollitus

Is there a vaccine available?
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#68
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 9:32 pm)Mermaid Wrote:
(December 21, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Severe trollitus

Is there a vaccine available?

The only cure is to remove the source of the infection.

This can cause severe pain, especially since no known anaesthesia is known to knock out trollitus during the surgery...

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#69
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
I mean...for all the hemming and hawing about magic and witchcraft are evil, Catholics say magic words over bread and wine to turn their "spiritual identity" into that of the blood and flesh of a demigod, which they consume to acknowledge their salvation by the sacrifice offered by said demigod.


For all the hemming and hawing by protestants about how non-biblical and non-Christian and how very pagan Catholicism is, they say magic words and sprinkle babies with water to create a binding covenant with the SAME gods and demigods the Catholics are worshipping, for the most part.


You also have to account for the idea that in Christian doctrine, it is very easy to make the ends justify the means and then ask for forgiveness later, even in the case of "dabbling in the occult." Either way, even if Hitler was into some form of paganism, that form of paganism was probably also some form of Christianity because Christianity itself is a form of paganism.
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#70
RE: Was Hitler a Christian?
(December 21, 2015 at 7:05 pm)TrueChristian Wrote:
(December 21, 2015 at 7:02 pm)Beccs Wrote: He did.

He murdered them.

Murder is not conversion.

Yes it is. It converts live opponents to dead ones.

Besides which, I don't know if there is any evidence that Hitler actually killed anyone, outside his WWI career (such as it was). Like all national leaders, he thought it more politic to command others to do it.
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