Episode VII (spoilers)

[Exian]

I literally just had this conversation last night.

Problems with it:

---

- Leia specifically talks privately to Han as if Kylo is lost to the Dark Side - not like he's a double agent.

- He wouldn't be wasting time looking for Luke if he were in the midst of Sith training - he had to plead his case to Snoke a couple of times.

---

Ahhh yes.

Also...

---

Why would Han have that heart to heart on the bridge before hand? So maybe it's not correct.

But, one reason for the charade even in private is to cloak the facade from the force sensitive Snoke? That's a pretty big stretch, but could it be?

---

Edit

---

Maybe he's looking for Luke as an order from Snoke. He wouldn't exactly be able to say no if he wants to keep the facade up.

---

[thesummerqueen]

We're going to see it again on Sunday, I think. I'll look at those bits more closely specifically and get back to you. I want to see Kylo's face at that critical moment again - everyone is telling me they are unclear on his motivations.

[Anomalocaris]

Problem with this theory: the Mary Sue story of Rey would suck even more if Rey has no serious family baggage when it's her turn to confront the dark side.

[Exian]

We're going to see it again on Sunday, I think. I'll look at those bits more closely specifically and get back to you. I want to see Kylo's face at that critical moment again - everyone is telling me they are unclear on his motivations.

That would be cool. Thanks.

I was supposed to go see again with my daughter today, but she wants to have a lazy day. Didn't fall far from the tree

[Drich]

Or Females. In fact there are less Females than there are Black people in space it seems.

To be fair their are not alot of kitchen or landry room scenes in any of the movies, although their are alot of bar scenes or dance numbers that use alot of women. Just not alot of heroic leads. well that's not true either..
Padme
Her double
her whole court
temptress
snips
their were a few senators
leigha
sh-mi/anikin's mom
aunt peru
who knows how many jawa's ewoks or sand females
Not really sure about admrial ackbar either.. could be a female squid person.
rey
the old lady scrubbing parts next to her
the old lady who told annie that a storm was comming and to get home

Verses

Mace win du
lando
Fin

verses

the one asian guy who told the rebels how to blow up the new death planet.. even though our culture is what props this whole saga up..

verse

no asian hybrids

What makes you think that BB is uploaded with every ship schematics?

He doesn't need to have the ship's schematic, he can interface directly with the ship's computer.

again ever try interfacing ODB1 with a modern manufacturer specific diagnostic scanner?

ODB1 is a real universal diagnostic tool outfitted on early to mid 90's cars. the ODB system is not compatiable with newer cars. or manufacturer specific scanners. It's a real world problem. when tech gets old the 'new stuff' has no reason to interact with it.

BB seems to be manufacturer specific because we only see him interface with the new style x-wing. When fin and rey were first on board all bb could do/did was hang on. Meanwhile when R2 was on the falcon in a fight he was plugged in fixing things and talking to the computer.

maybe he dyes it. or maybe his people just live a super long time.

Or maybe they care more about what the doll/action-figure will look like.

Yeah! because that is such a big problem for toy manufactures! who knew the achelies heel of action figure manufacturing boils down to an inability to do grey hair!

[img] https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/v...rt=mozilla [/img]

The good in him did not want to kill his father then han grab the lightsaber and struggled for it which gave kylo the reason he needed to lash out at han.

He had a struggle? I thought the whole thing was a poorly done act by Kylo to lure his dad to his hand. That shouldn't have fooled anyone, especially someone somewhat savvy like Han.

No, saw it again last night. Kylo was illuminated by the fading light of the star, the planet destroyer was sucking dry, and while illuminated he was tearing up and honestly struggling/blubbering on about not doing what he knew he had to do (kill han per snoke's orders), he offered han the light saber with both hands open. han went to grab it with one hand, and just then the light started to fade as the sun was being depleted. which cause kylo to pause in handing the light saber over. then they stood staring at each other, ben with both hands and han with the one hand on the saber. when it when completely dark han started to pull, and so did ben it went back and forth for a second, the ben snatched it away and ran his old man through. chewie screamed and blasted ben with the bow caster. the same weapon that han used to blow storm troopers apart with.

This is a Galaxy wide saga. If I gave you a planetary name in this galaxy would you be able to find it without a map?

Yes you'd find it a lot easier than an unlabelled map of a galaxy you have to figure out for yourself.

One of the great things about Attack of the Clones is that Obi Wan goes to Planetarium (yeah yeah I know it's really a library but I like to think it's a planetarium) and meets this really snobby stuck-up bitch, just like you might expect to meet at a planetarium, and she's like "oh you don't know where Orion's belt is? you're a freaking idiot then." Condescending bitch.

their is a big red line that sews it's way through the system where luke it. labled in a way you recognise or not their is a probable path to find luke.
And that is all the map is to repersent (oh the irony and temptation to blend in a message about the validity of the bible) a probable path to what is sought. the proof of the map's validity is in the following of the maps instructions, not how you personally identify/vet such a tool.
The map was always in question even though both sides wanted it. why? because it could possibly repersent the truth of where Luke was.

R2 was to be reactivated when Luke was ready to have 'visitors' I guess when he felt something in the force that would require his attention.. IDK maybe something like Rey and Kilo.

Yes I didn't ask "why did R2 wake up" and I don't care. I asked why didn't the rebellion/resistance fighters/whatever they are just wipe his memory and reboot him? He's one of the best service droids to have on your ship in battle, this has been proven numerous times. Why the fuck put one of your best droids to waste?

Again, because they (unlike you) seem to understand that R2 was Luke's little buddy, and could contain info vital to Luke or his where abouts. BB8 even seems to understands this when he wants to talk to r2 and c3po says he is in low power mode.

Not to mention R2 was around when Anikin was a little boy.. so what 60+ years? Use alot of your grandpa's diagnostic tools does ya?


If you are really looking for nits to pick, look at fin's shoes.

You seem him sheding his armor in the desert. He never takes his shoes off, but when he gets to the town and first meets rey he is not wearing the white storm trooper itialian cut boot. He is wearing 3 strap grey velcro tennies. his whole 'resistance fighter lie' would have not gone too far with him wearing strom trooper blaze white low cut boots.

or how han and chewie are cold on the planet destroyer and rey is still wearing her tank top with bandage sleeves rolling around in the snow with ben.

or how the activate Luke's ESB light saber and how they hold it next to the beam emitter.. (too hot duh..)

[Exian]

Problem with this theory: the Mary Sue story of Rey would suck even more if Rey has no serious family baggage when it's her turn to confront the dark side.

There was some stuff in the theory that connects Rey to it better but I don't remember. Besides, I don't think what you presented is a hole so much as opinion.

[thesummerqueen]

Problem with this theory: the Mary Sue story of Rey would suck even more if Rey has no serious family baggage when it's her turn to confront the dark side.

Get over yourself. She's not a Mary Sue, and you don't get to fling that around simply because you don't like the story.

[Anomalocaris]

Problem with this theory:  the Mary Sue story of Rey would suck even more if Rey has no serious family baggage when it's her turn to confront the dark side.

There was some stuff in the theory that connects Rey to it better but I don't remember. Besides, I don't think what you presented is a hole so much as opinion.

Come on, Rey being a Mary Sue character will probably be the loudest story related feedback the film will get once the initial flush of fangasm wears off. For Disney looking to sell more tickets for episold 9 it will be much more important to address that annoyance than to close any plot holes during episold 8. So it's a good bet episold 8 will be mean to Rey.

[thesummerqueen]

Oh, I'm sure that will be the loudest complaint about her - from men who are pissy about the story. Give me a break. There's nothing Mary Sue about her.

[Exian]

There was some stuff in the theory that connects Rey to it better but I don't remember. Besides, I don't think what you presented is a hole so much as opinion.

Come on, Rey being a Mary Sue character will probably be the loudest story related feedback the film will get once the initial flush of fangasm wears off. For Disney looking to sell more tickets for episold 9 it will be much more important to address that annoyance than to close any plot holes during episold 8. So it's a good bet episold 8 will be mean to Rey.

That's fine, but two things: I was asking for holes, not opinion, and I was asking for holes in the theory, not the plot.