Episode VII (spoilers)

[Drich]

So, "the force awakens"... what does it mean?

- The awakening of the force in the whole Galaxy? Seems like that was stopped a few years before the movie's time...
- The awakening of the force in Rey? Consistent with the flashback and realization during the final fight... it's like she awoke to the Force...

I think the force awakens is referring to Rey. It is a symbolic moment when her mind raper lost control and quickly became the one being raped. then to her use of the Jedi Mind trick on Bond, to her reflexes in the light saber dual.

[Drich]

I would like to hear specifically what was wrong with the cinematography. And please include your definition of cinematography.

Was it the framing? Because I saw a few moments when the camera had trouble keeping up with a ship, which is intentional to add realism. AFAIK, this was first used in the first Iron Man movie.

I think I remember seeing that camera technique in battle star Galatica for the first time. from a 1st person inside a raptor or another ship, while tracking a second ship, they can't keep up and when the do it is generally out of focus as well.

[Anomalocaris]

No, but also again, he could just hold Rey immobile like he did during their last encounter, and fuck the light saber.   Or again, just slam Ray backwards into a tree like he did two minutes before, and light saber be damned.  This dude can hold a blaster bolt immobile in mid air, after all, something not even Vader have been seen to be able to do.

Hey, aren't bad dudes suppose to be able to shoot lightning bolts from their finger tips?

Remember your failure at the cave!

If we learned anything from Luke's training with yoda, using the force takes concentration, and couple that with what vader taught us sith powers take the extra measure of anger and hate.
Maybe that is why he kept punching himself in the blaster wound chewie gave him. Remeber this is the same type of wound that all but crippled Chewbacca in the first major battle. pushing though the pain of a torso blast, then sword fighting, then getting knicked a couple of different times.. by the end of the fight this guy was maybe firing on 2 of 10 cyclinders. while rey was firing on 8 of 8. Considering what he went though I think he put up a fairly good defense/attack remember he did just take on their version of a 'spartan' and sliced him open like a taun taun..

So being thrown through the air to slam against a tree, being knocked unconscious by the impact, which presumably means a concussion, and then falling about 8 feet to the ground, doesn't break some cylinder seals or connecting rod or two between Rey's 8 cylinders?

[Clueless Morgan]

The lightsaber fight was precisely what I wanted to see in the film - brutal, unvarnished, aggressive. Two people who are actively trying to slice each other up with energy swords rather than engaging in a twirly dance-off.

Check out the progression of light saber fights:

Darth Vader v Obi Wan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpHK4YIwY4
Impression: Slow old men poking at each other; exciting as a kid but super boring to watch in terms of excitement.

Darth Vader v Luke Skywalker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
Impression: Faster, but overly laced with exposition, sometime kind of brutal but starts to get twirly; definitely more exciting than Vader v Obi Wan

Darth Maul v Obi Wan and Qui-Gon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqdESArkqU
Impression: Some super twirliness going on here!  Over choreographed and weirdly silent - no one talks or makes a noise except Obi Wan's "No0o0o0o0o!" at Qui-Gon's death.

I think the progression of light saber fights in TFA is a definitely step in the right direction - fast-paced action, brutal, not especially twirly or over choreographed.

So, "the force awakens"... what does it mean?

- The awakening of the force in the whole Galaxy? Seems like that was stopped a few years before the movie's time...
- The awakening of the force in Rey? Consistent with the flashback and realization during the final fight... it's like she awoke to the Force...

Seeing as how the Force never really went away, I think it's referring to the force awakening in Rey but we'll have to wait and see...

[Aroura]

There are more posts inthis movie by people who really, really hate this movie, even though there are more people who have posted that they liked it.

The haters are seriously devoted to trying to get everyone else to agree with them. So far, I've seen a complaint that it is too much like Episode IV and not enough like Episode IV from the same person. How to even take this hate seriously?

I've seen this behavior before on video game forums, where a few loud voices try to proclaim a game a failure, even though tons of people play it and enjoy it. They devote quite a lot of time to obsessing over ever little detail that they feel is wrong or bad. Couldn't you find a better use for your time than STILL bitching about TFA 2 weeks after you saw it? Talk about focus on the negative.

[Drich]

Remember your failure at the cave!

If we learned anything from Luke's training with yoda, using the force takes concentration, and couple that with what vader taught us sith powers take the extra measure of anger and hate.
Maybe that is why he kept punching himself in the blaster wound chewie gave him. Remeber this is the same type of wound that all but crippled Chewbacca in the first major battle. pushing though the pain of a torso blast, then sword fighting, then getting knicked a couple of different times.. by the end of the fight this guy was maybe firing on 2 of 10 cyclinders. while rey was firing on 8 of 8. Considering what he went though I think he put up a fairly good defense/attack remember he did just take on their version of a 'spartan' and sliced him open like a taun taun..

So being thrown through the air to slam against a tree, being knocked unconscious by the impact, which presumably means a concussion, and then falling about 8 feet to the ground,  doesn't break some cylinder seals or connecting rod or two between Rey's 8 cylinders?

It causes her to stall (knocked out) but when she restarts she is pedal to the medal!

[Drich]

The lightsaber fight was precisely what I wanted to see in the film - brutal, unvarnished, aggressive. Two people who are actively trying to slice each other up with energy swords rather than engaging in a twirly dance-off.

Check out the progression of light saber fights:

Darth Vader v Obi Wan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpHK4YIwY4
Impression: Slow old men poking at each other; exciting as a kid but super boring to watch in terms of excitement.

Darth Vader v Luke Skywalker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
Impression: Faster, but overly laced with exposition, sometime kind of brutal but starts to get twirly; definitely more exciting than Vader v Obi Wan

Darth Maul v Obi Wan and Qui-Gon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqdESArkqU
Impression: Some super twirliness going on here!  Over choreographed and weirdly silent - no one talks or makes a noise except Obi Wan's "No0o0o0o0o!" at Qui-Gon's death.

I think the progression of light saber fights in TFA is a definitely step in the right direction - fast-paced action, brutal, not especially twirly or over choreographed.

So, "the force awakens"... what does it mean?

- The awakening of the force in the whole Galaxy? Seems like that was stopped a few years before the movie's time...
- The awakening of the force in Rey? Consistent with the flashback and realization during the final fight... it's like she awoke to the Force...

Seeing as how the Force never really went away, I think it's referring to the force awakening in Rey but we'll have to wait and see...

that's kinda my point.. The twirliness from the prequels are a result of discipline practice and hard sparing.

verse ANH (two old men poking at each other) is a result of obi and vader not in practice.

ESB luke is like rey attacking/hacking Vader going for the crippling kill shot..

RotJ more practiced better control.

TFA hack and slash all over again.

[Drich]

There are more posts inthis movie by people who really, really hate this movie, even though there are more people who have posted that they liked it.

The haters are seriously devoted to trying to get everyone else to agree with them.  So far, I've seen a complaint that it is too much like Episode IV and not enough like Episode IV from the same person.  How to even take this hate seriously?

I've seen this behavior before on video game forums, where a few loud voices try to proclaim a game a failure, even though tons of people play it and enjoy it.  They devote quite a lot of time to obsessing over ever little detail that they feel is wrong or bad.  Couldn't you find a better use for your time than STILL bitching about TFA 2 weeks after you saw it?  Talk about focus on the negative.

Two weeks?!?!?

I've had these conversations with poo pooers 20 years after they saw the originals.

The vast majority of the time poo pooers are the type of people who need a movie or show to make all of the little connections for them, and can not leave anything to the imagination or further research. So they hate on anything that other people get and they can not.