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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:24 pm
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Why do you think design is relevant, after having accepted the theory of evolution as fact...as you clearly have?
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:25 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 2:59 am)Irrational Wrote: (January 9, 2016 at 7:35 pm)AAA Wrote: Right, the design is observable. The origin of the design is not, and will never be observable.
We can observe laws and principles in action. Why insert a designer when the appearance of design (which is not the same as admitting design) can be explained without it?
Why assume designer when we see appearance of design? Because not doing so would be illogical. There is no coherent theory of abiogenesis and a problem stricken theory of evolution. I don't think it can (at least not yet) be explained without it.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:27 pm
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You've called the theory of evolution a fact at least twice in this thread. That doesn't sound very "stricken". Why object to abiogeneisis...when you -also- believe in abiogenesis?
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:27 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 3:51 am)robvalue Wrote: The thing is, if we were designed by aliens or something, there are several extremely stupid decisions that were made but ultimately we are of course rather impressive.
But if we were designed by some sort of super being who even made the rules of the reality in which we live, we are utterly laughable in just about every way.
The fact that AAA continued to go on about this observation and value judgement rather than my actual questions is rather telling. What is this actual question that I'm supposedly ignoring? We are not laughable in every way. Every engineer who ever lived put together could not do a better job.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:28 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 6:41 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (January 9, 2016 at 4:02 pm)AAA Wrote: Change is a fact. Natural selection is a fact. Neo-Darwinian evolution is far from fact. Saying it is a fact does not make it a fact. And biology
You just said that the evolution is a fact and then denied evolution I is confuzitated.
I think mutation and natural selection help keep a population's genome strong, but they don't make more complex individuals.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:29 pm
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Mutation and natural selection are "The Modern Synthesis". You think that the theory of evolution is a fact. Accept that about yourself and move on.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:30 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 7:21 am)ignoramus Wrote: (January 9, 2016 at 7:56 pm)AAA Wrote: I don't want to take the time to watch an hour long video, but let me guess at what it covers. Matter can arrange itself in symmetrical patterns that give the appearance of design.
Also order does not arise from chaos.
Matey, you are so full of shit ...
You don't want to watch an hour long real scientific video but are happy to recommend an even longer one full of religious bias!
Maybe if you did watch it, you would realise that order DOES arise from chaos ...all the time, quite naturally! No skydaddy needed....
If you watched it, then please summarize it. I hate being deferred to hour long videos
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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Hi...lol. Why do you continue?
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:32 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 9:24 am)Stimbo Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 1:06 am)AAA Wrote: So you're saying neo-Darwinian evolution is 100% fact? From a scientific standpoint, should we discourage people for questioning scientific ideas? If so, do you think this type of thinking will halt scientific progress?
I do understand it, and I think it is not the full explanation for life.
That's great. Now all you need to do is write up all your objections in a paper on the subject, then get it published in a proper peer-reviewed journal as distinct from a creationist circle-jerk one. See, what you think is actually not worth a plugged nickel compared to what you can demonstrate. Put in the work first. Right like a paper on that topic could get peer review.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 6:33 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 6:25 pm)AAA Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 2:59 am)Irrational Wrote: We can observe laws and principles in action. Why insert a designer when the appearance of design (which is not the same as admitting design) can be explained without it?
Why assume designer when we see appearance of design? Because not doing so would be illogical. There is no coherent theory of abiogenesis and a problem stricken theory of evolution. I don't think it can (at least not yet) be explained without it.
Appearance of design is not the same as actual design. This is logic, you know.
I don't see any major problem with evolution that would render it not a good theory. As for abiogenesis, what is the problem with it that you feel demands a designer? Scientists seem to be doing well with figuring out how life came about, they're not going downhill.
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