Is Quran the proof of God?

[mr_j936]

Screw the prophets and the "signs" and the books and all of this CRAP and just prove that he exists - give us something real.  Otherwise he's less believable than leprechauns and tooth fairies.

It's a state of mind; what's yours anyways ? Non of my business of course; but ask yourself.

Taking all details & facts into the frame of reference, can lead to a realization of many things, why does the sun rise or sets, why do we dream, why have 5 fingers; and so.
Though it's about the "why" & "how"; "evolution" is the method, but who created evolution anyhow ??

Wow, everything you said in this sentence is wrong. Like logically wrong.

1-If we had 6 fingers or 4 fingers you would have also asked why. 5 is not a special number, and just because you are used to them looking like that does not mean that is the only way it could have been.

2-The sun neither rises nor sets, the earth spins, in case you missed the memo.

3-I don't actually know why we dream, I am sure there is a scientific reasoning for it, I don't have time to look up everything for you.

4- The whole point of evolution is to explain how complex things can rise from simpler things. Throw in an infinitely complex thing in the beginning and you just defeated the entire purpose. If I walk into a room with a small elephant inside that is larger than the door, my theory is that he walked in before he was this large and grew, your Muslim theory is that a bigger elephant came in through the narrow door, gave birth to this elephant and walked out. It's absurd and replaces the original mystery with an even worse and more complicated mystery.

[WinterHold]

It's a state of mind; what's yours anyways ? Non of my business of course; but ask yourself.

Taking all details & facts into the frame of reference, can lead to a realization of many things, why does the sun rise or sets, why do we dream, why have 5 fingers; and so.
Though it's about the "why" & "how"; "evolution" is the method, but who created evolution anyhow ??

Wow, everything you said in this sentence is wrong. Like logically wrong.

1-If we had 6 fingers or 4 fingers you would have also asked why. 5 is not a special number, and just because you are used to them looking like that does not mean that is the only way it could have been.

2-The sun neither rises nor sets, the earth spins, in case you missed the memo.

3-I don't actually know why we dream, I am sure there is a scientific reasoning for it, I don't have time to look up everything for you.

4- The whole point of evolution is to explain how complex things can rise from simpler things. Throw in an infinitely complex thing in the beginning and you just defeated the entire purpose. If I walk into a room with a small elephant inside that is larger than the door, my theory is that he walked in before he was this large and grew, your Muslim theory is that a bigger elephant came in through the narrow door, gave birth to this elephant and walked out. It's absurd and replaces the original mystery with an even worse and more complicated mystery.

Hmmm, no.
It's about "who triggered the phenomena".

[mr_j936]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

[WinterHold]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

Personally, I have no answer. I actually think the question is meaningless, too.
God is the special condition. The one & only, who exists without being created, outside the stream of time & space.

It depends, if you "believe" there was a "before", then you're officially atheist.
As a believer, God was always there..how ? IDK.

[mr_j936]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

Personally, I have no answer. I actually think the question is meaningless, too.
God is the special condition. The one & only, who exists without being created, outside the stream of time & space.

It depends, if you "believe" there was a "before", then you're officially atheist.
As a believer, God was always there..how ? IDK.

But you see, that is exactly why putting God behind evolution does not fit. The answer is to go smaller not bigger. Now if scientists discover some magic Carbon isotope that can merge with something and create basic life, the whole thing would fit more logically and more tightly as an explanation.

[The Grand Nudger]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

Personally, I have no answer. I actually think the question is meaningless, too.
God is the special condition. The one & only, who exists without being created, outside the stream of time & space.

That's -exactly- what we keep telling you lot.  That the very notion of god is special pleading. Confirmation that we've understood completely, is gratifying.

[Edwardo Piet]

To answer the OP

Not only is the Quran not proof of God, but no book can be proof of any god at all.

[drfuzzy]

You worship your book.  Fine.  I accept only scientific data.  Empirical, repeatable, quantifiable, concrete, global proof.  As I keep saying, have god show up and say "hi".  Any god that created billions of galaxies doesn't need a middleman.  We'll continue the conversation sometime after every nation on this earth agrees that he exists, and is not human.

Life is an examination in Islam, don't you know. We're here because of what Satan (along with Adam & Eve) did in the garden. Each of us is experiencing the garden; one needs to figure out God by themselves, if God showed himself then what's the goal of this life.

The real question is : what would you do if God didn't show himself up, and you were alone in the garden ?
Some people kill, some others rape, others rob & steal, many others remain silent despite the crimes they see.

Science will never answer how the big bang came to be. The unsolvable base case.

The exam works. Realizing that it's a recursive function is step 1.

Science has already proven that there was no progenitor human couple - - no "Adam and Eve".  There was a mitochondrial "Eve" identified, but that does not mean that her mate, or mates, = "Adam".  No God, no Satan, no Garden of Eden, no heaven or hell.  Just a bunch of old fairy tales.

[Sheed1980]

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 That's just the point. This book(The Qur'an)does prove these things. Math and science are the same all over the universe. I don't care how u look at it 1+1=2. So no matter what country you're from or what race or religion u are or what language u speak or what corner of the Earth u live on, it's always going to be the same. Now as I said b4 we'll leave the mathematical miracles out because as u say it's a so called "Numbers game". As for linguistics. The chapters of the Qur'an have a rhyming sense to them, in the Arabic language, in a scripture revealed during a time when society was   huge on poetry. The Qur'an was sent to mankind in the 7th century but for the rest of mankind's existence on Earth. If u think about how much poetry plays a part in our lives today. Poetry is a huge part of our lifestyles to this day. Things as common as the music we listen to contain poetry which is the same lifestyle that existed over 1400 years b4 the Qur'an's first being revealed. This showing that all of the rest of mankind, however many years we last, the Qur'an will apply to our lifestyles. Now as for the scientific and astronomical aspect. These miracles were placed in a scripture by God Himself in the 7th century when telescopes, microscopes, x-rays, space shuttles, computers and all kinds of other technology that are with us today did not yet exist. So who else could have known these SCIENTIFIC AND ASTRONOMICAL FACTS about our planet and our universe besides God Himself, especially in the 7th century, a time period where humans thought the Earth was flat, and the mountains held up the skies? Another question is how many of these scientific, what I call miracles, do you have to witness b4 u stop saying they are just coincidences? How many coincidences can there be? After all things come together, all the so called "coincidences" prove to be a divine plan, where if u don't believe in iit, there are tons of ways that exist today, to verify the information. I'd also like to know what single human being that lived in the 7th century knew of any other planet in our solar system. It's name, and one of the satellites(moons)that orbits it, knowing it's name too, then mentions them both in a 7th century scripture in the same chapter, named "sand dunes", which our technology today has enabled us to see that this specific planet(Mars)is covered with sand dunes, and was was not theorized and named until the 16th century. Also what human in the 7th century knew of a planet that takes 243 Earth days to revolve around the sun while it rotates on its own axis at a 177 degree angle and names the planet(Venus)in a scripture with Arabic letters in 3 verses, 2 exactly 243 verses apart, and the third in 17:7 which is the exact angle on which the planet rotates? Also what human could've known that the universe was expanding in the 7th century, and has been since, and still is today? So what being besides God Almighty, The Creator of the heavens and the Earth, could have known these scientific facts which again have been verified by our technology today? This is why God challenges any and every human being who thinks they can prevail, to come up with just 1 single chapter like that of the Qur'an. Not only does it rhyme, and give a significant message, but each and every single letter corresponds to every other letter in that chapter as well and also can give scientific and astronomical information. IT CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED. The challenge still stands and has never been and never will be defeated.  

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YAWN.  More bullshit.      Words, words, words, and not a shred of real proof.  All they have is their imaginary friend and a ridiculous BOOK that they worship.  It's really pathetic.  An "all-powerful deity" who needs human beings to argue for his existence, because he's so impotent, ignorant, and incompetent to do a decent job of it himself.

First off we don't worship the Qur'an we worship Allah alone. secondly we follow God's laws and speak the truth of His religion that He blessed us with for us to succeed for pleasing and obeying our creator. Not because God needs us to. Godvis free of all needs worthy of all praise. Basically He says "if u want the best life u could possibly have obey me and worship me alone, I'll then give u all that u desire" so we're not doing this because God needs us to, we're doing this because we want to succeed in eternal bliss

[The Grand Nudger]

Why has "the best life you can possibly have" been producing such fantastically shitty results? Do you own a map...have you taken the time to watch any news lately?