Is Quran the proof of God?

[mr_j936]

Screw the prophets and the "signs" and the books and all of this CRAP and just prove that he exists - give us something real.  Otherwise he's less believable than leprechauns and tooth fairies.

It's a state of mind; what's yours anyways ? Non of my business of course; but ask yourself.

Taking all details & facts into the frame of reference, can lead to a realization of many things, why does the sun rise or sets, why do we dream, why have 5 fingers; and so.
Though it's about the "why" & "how"; "evolution" is the method, but who created evolution anyhow ??

Wow, everything you said in this sentence is wrong. Like logically wrong.

1-If we had 6 fingers or 4 fingers you would have also asked why. 5 is not a special number, and just because you are used to them looking like that does not mean that is the only way it could have been.

2-The sun neither rises nor sets, the earth spins, in case you missed the memo.

3-I don't actually know why we dream, I am sure there is a scientific reasoning for it, I don't have time to look up everything for you.

4- The whole point of evolution is to explain how complex things can rise from simpler things. Throw in an infinitely complex thing in the beginning and you just defeated the entire purpose. If I walk into a room with a small elephant inside that is larger than the door, my theory is that he walked in before he was this large and grew, your Muslim theory is that a bigger elephant came in through the narrow door, gave birth to this elephant and walked out. It's absurd and replaces the original mystery with an even worse and more complicated mystery.

[WinterHold]

It's a state of mind; what's yours anyways ? Non of my business of course; but ask yourself.

Taking all details & facts into the frame of reference, can lead to a realization of many things, why does the sun rise or sets, why do we dream, why have 5 fingers; and so.
Though it's about the "why" & "how"; "evolution" is the method, but who created evolution anyhow ??

Wow, everything you said in this sentence is wrong. Like logically wrong.

1-If we had 6 fingers or 4 fingers you would have also asked why. 5 is not a special number, and just because you are used to them looking like that does not mean that is the only way it could have been.

2-The sun neither rises nor sets, the earth spins, in case you missed the memo.

3-I don't actually know why we dream, I am sure there is a scientific reasoning for it, I don't have time to look up everything for you.

4- The whole point of evolution is to explain how complex things can rise from simpler things. Throw in an infinitely complex thing in the beginning and you just defeated the entire purpose. If I walk into a room with a small elephant inside that is larger than the door, my theory is that he walked in before he was this large and grew, your Muslim theory is that a bigger elephant came in through the narrow door, gave birth to this elephant and walked out. It's absurd and replaces the original mystery with an even worse and more complicated mystery.

Hmmm, no.
It's about "who triggered the phenomena".

[mr_j936]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

[WinterHold]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

Personally, I have no answer. I actually think the question is meaningless, too.
God is the special condition. The one & only, who exists without being created, outside the stream of time & space.

It depends, if you "believe" there was a "before", then you're officially atheist.
As a believer, God was always there..how ? IDK.

[mr_j936]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

Personally, I have no answer. I actually think the question is meaningless, too.
God is the special condition. The one & only, who exists without being created, outside the stream of time & space.

It depends, if you "believe" there was a "before", then you're officially atheist.
As a believer, God was always there..how ? IDK.

But you see, that is exactly why putting God behind evolution does not fit. The answer is to go smaller not bigger. Now if scientists discover some magic Carbon isotope that can merge with something and create basic life, the whole thing would fit more logically and more tightly as an explanation.

[The Grand Nudger]

And who triggered what triggered the phenomena? Who created God?

Personally, I have no answer. I actually think the question is meaningless, too.
God is the special condition. The one & only, who exists without being created, outside the stream of time & space.

That's -exactly- what we keep telling you lot.  That the very notion of god is special pleading. Confirmation that we've understood completely, is gratifying.

[Edwardo Piet]

To answer the OP

Not only is the Quran not proof of God, but no book can be proof of any god at all.

[drfuzzy]

You worship your book.  Fine.  I accept only scientific data.  Empirical, repeatable, quantifiable, concrete, global proof.  As I keep saying, have god show up and say "hi".  Any god that created billions of galaxies doesn't need a middleman.  We'll continue the conversation sometime after every nation on this earth agrees that he exists, and is not human.

Life is an examination in Islam, don't you know. We're here because of what Satan (along with Adam & Eve) did in the garden. Each of us is experiencing the garden; one needs to figure out God by themselves, if God showed himself then what's the goal of this life.

The real question is : what would you do if God didn't show himself up, and you were alone in the garden ?
Some people kill, some others rape, others rob & steal, many others remain silent despite the crimes they see.

Science will never answer how the big bang came to be. The unsolvable base case.

The exam works. Realizing that it's a recursive function is step 1.

Science has already proven that there was no progenitor human couple - - no "Adam and Eve".  There was a mitochondrial "Eve" identified, but that does not mean that her mate, or mates, = "Adam".  No God, no Satan, no Garden of Eden, no heaven or hell.  Just a bunch of old fairy tales.

[Sheed1980]

[The Grand Nudger]

Why has "the best life you can possibly have" been producing such fantastically shitty results? Do you own a map...have you taken the time to watch any news lately?