Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Little Rik]

Oh, is that so?
Have a lovely day anyway mate.  

But wait a minute Stim.
Didn't you say..........The insults mask a weak argument. A person confident in their position doesn't feel the need to resort to such obfuscation, unprovoked. Protip: it doesn't hide anything - it draws attention to it.

How do you call this form of contradiction in English?  
Please Stim help LR to understand.  

Oh, i forgot about the magic computer that allow to communicate as the positive side and weaken the sight with his radiation and the body by sitting in front of it  (no exercises) as the negative side.
Thanks Stim for remind me the side effects of it.  

Wow..... you're are really going to get banned..... one of these days.... or this day...

Banned for what?
I am not proselytizing or call other people mother a whore like some people here do.
I certainly exposed many dogmas and a terrible lack of knowledge especially in the field
of philosophy, evolution and consciousness so i guess many people get upset about it but
too bad.
This is what a forum is all about.
Confrontation, confrontation and more confrontation.  

[Red_Wind]

Wow..... you're are really going to get banned..... one of these days.... or this day...

Banned for what?
I am not proselytizing or call other people mother a whore like some people here do.
I certainly exposed many dogmas and a terrible lack of knowledge especially in the field
of philosophy, evolution and consciousness so i guess many people get upset about it but
too bad.
This is what a forum is all about.
Confrontation, confrontation and more confrontation.  

Check the new rule that is going live.
Your threads are irrational and serve no purpose.You apparently dismiss the current fields of science in favor of imaginary ones that can't be proven or used, no better then a religious belief.

[Little Rik]

Science, science and more science.
But wait a minute Red.
Let us see what this Physical science has achieved so far.
Hospitals and jails are so full of sick people that these places burst at the seams.
80% of world population doesn't have enough food to eat.
Wars and killing are out of control.
Climate change is destroying the planet.
The science that you are talking about lack something unfortunately.
It lack the science within which is the science i really care.
Nothing really wrong with the physical science.
We all need that but it lack something.
Until the external science and the internal one with go hand in hand there will always be trouble.
But this concept will arise in the mind of people like you only when the human being of the planet earth will have the water up their neck.  

Physical sciences are only one part of science.

The problems you listed have very little to do with science, it's more to do with human self-interests and greed.

"Hospitals and jails are so full of sick people that these places burst at the seams"
Is this a bad thing?, would you rather have people die of illnesses and criminals walking the street?

"80% of world population doesn't have enough food to eat."
It's actually closer to 11%, not 80%.

"Wars and killing are out of control"
Science has actually reduces the number of casualties in war.Can't say the same about religious related terrorism where mostly innocent people are killed.

"Climate change is destroying the planet"
Science has warned numerous times about climate change but do you think big companies or the average person cares?
The rest of your post is not important.
Again, the problems you listed are caused my human greed and self-interests.

That is the point i try to make Red.
Physical science can not put an end to greed and self interest that is why i said that it is not a complete science.
It lack something.
It is good for survival but survival without progress is not good enough.
You should try to understand where greed and self-interests sprang from.
Once you realize that they sprang from within it come obvious that an internal approach is needed.
And that approach is a science.
Once people understand that external and internal science have to go hand in hand to find a perfect approach to life then most problems will be solved.  

[Little Rik]

Banned for what?
I am not proselytizing or call other people mother a whore like some people here do.
I certainly exposed many dogmas and a terrible lack of knowledge especially in the field
of philosophy, evolution and consciousness so i guess many people get upset about it but
too bad.
This is what a forum is all about.
Confrontation, confrontation and more confrontation.  

Check the new rule that is going live.
Your threads are irrational and serve no purpose.You apparently dismiss the current fields of science in favor of imaginary ones that can't be proven or used, no better then a religious belief.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.
1) I do not dismiss physical science.
I love physical science.
All i say is that this physical science should go hand in hand with the science within
in order to have a perfect balance.
2) The science within is not imaginary.
The evidence is that most mental diseases sprung out from within and the only way out
to sort them out is an internal approach which is a science therefore it is real not imaginary.  

[Red_Wind]

I don't see how "the science within" is different from medical science since brain scans can diagnose most mental illnesses and they can be treated to some degree.

If you really believe in "the science within" and think it works, how would the common person use it and how do we confirm that it works?

[Little Rik]

I don't see how "the science within" is different from medical science since brain scans can diagnose most mental illnesses and they can be treated to some degree.

If you really believe in "the science within" and think it works, how would the common person use it and how do we confirm that it works?

Medical science can deal with the physical side but human being are not made only of flesh.
Peace of mind and happiness can not be cured by a doctor.
The healing process come in stages.
First people got to realize that the problem is internal rather than external therefore physical science is not of any use in this case.
Once people go along this logic everything unfold in stages.
Stage by stage mother nature will lead you to a journey of discovery.
It has always be like this since the beginning of time.
It is the realization that there is something bigger than this physical reality that the healing process begin.

[Red_Wind]

I don't see how "the science within" is different from medical science since brain scans can diagnose most mental illnesses and they can be treated to some degree.

If you really believe in "the science within" and think it works, how would the common person use it and how do we confirm that it works?

Medical science can deal with the physical side but human being are not made only of flesh.
Peace of mind and happiness can not be cured by a doctor.
The healing process come in stages.
First people got to realize that the problem is internal rather than external therefore physical science is not of any use in this case.
Once people go along this logic everything unfold in stages.
Stage by stage mother nature will lead you to a journey of discovery.
It has always be like this since the beginning of time.
It is the realization that there is something bigger than this physical reality that the healing process begin.

If it's a mental illness then both a doctor and psychologist may be able to help.

You're aware there are more fields of study then just physical sciences, right?

"Once people go along this logic everything unfold in stages.
Stage by stage mother nature will lead you to a journey of discovery.
It has always be like this since the beginning of time.
It is the realization that there is something bigger than this physical reality that the healing process begin."

And how do you know this?
Do you know what separates the imaginary from the reality?

[Little Rik]

Medical science can deal with the physical side but human being are not made only of flesh.
Peace of mind and happiness can not be cured by a doctor.
The healing process come in stages.
First people got to realize that the problem is internal rather than external therefore physical science is not of any use in this case.
Once people go along this logic everything unfold in stages.
Stage by stage mother nature will lead you to a journey of discovery.
It has always be like this since the beginning of time.
It is the realization that there is something bigger than this physical reality that the healing process begin.

If it's a mental illness then both a doctor and psychologist may be able to help.
You're aware there are more fields of study then just physical sciences, right?

You can go to a certain distance until you reach the border line.
If you want to cross that line you need a passport.
You are correct in saying that .......there are more fields of study then just physical sciences......
There is the mind of course and this allow to go further but then there is one more border line
and this line can not be pass even with the mind.

"Once people go along this logic everything unfold in stages.
Stage by stage mother nature will lead you to a journey of discovery.
It has always be like this since the beginning of time.
It is the realization that there is something bigger than this physical reality that the healing process begin."

And how do you know this?
Do you know what separates the imaginary from the reality?

The result of course.
Once the result is there you know you are on the correct path.  

[Red_Wind]

"You can go to a certain distance until you reach the border line.
If you want to cross that line you need a passport"

I don't see how this has any relevance.

"You are correct in saying that .......there are more fields of study then just physical sciences......
There is the mind of course and this allow to go further but then there is one more border line
and this line can not be pass even with the mind"

Citation needed.

"The result of course.
Once the result is there you know you are on the correct path"

How is this any different from evidence?

[Little Rik]

LR wrote"You can go to a certain distance until you reach the border line.
If you want to cross that line you need a passport"


Red_Wind I don't see how this has any relevance.

Plenty of relevance Red.
There is no way that peace of mind and permanent happiness can be found within this universe or physical reality.
It is all about whether you can or can not go over the limitation of this physical reality.
It is clear that this physical reality is always balanced by the positive and negative making the real progress impossible.
Some people say....oh, i am happy as i am....i don't need anything else.
They are unconsciously lying and the evidence of this is that their happiness is temporary.
After a while when their good feeling sort of expire they have to try again and again to re-establish and restore such feeling of happiness.
So it is obvious that permanent happiness and peace of mind are outside the border of this physical reality.

"You are correct in saying that .......there are more fields of study then just physical sciences......
There is the mind of course and this allow to go further but then there is one more border line
and this line can not be pass even with the mind"

Citation needed.

Physical science is able to study body and mind but the mind is not the I.
It is the I that can go over the border line if of course is trained to do so.
Physical science can not possibly do the hard work for you.
It is you that choose to go ahead and progress or go down losing consciousness.

"The result of course.
Once the result is there you know you are on the correct path"

How is this any different from evidence?

This is evidence.
There is no differences.
The result is evidence.
In the future they may invent some machine that detect the degree of peace of mind and happiness
from individual to individual.
In the meantime you can detect some differences in individual.
Drug addicted, smokers, drinkers, parasites, pedophiles, murders and other similar people emit a bad
smell and a degree of bad feeling while people who do the correct thing look good so from here you are also able to detect who is who without the need for a machine.
This is evidence Red.
In the old time saints were represented with an aureole or aura on their head.  


What did you do with the quote system?