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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 5:17 am
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(January 16, 2016 at 1:11 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Do u or most atheists in general believe in the Hereafter? Also what is the Atheist view on angels? Do u believe they exist? I'm just trying to understand more of atheism besides just not believing in God
Atheism does not rule out an after life. I don't believe in one. Its a silly concept.
What are the physical properties of this place?
where is it?
how do you get there?
No, its poorly thought out wishful thinking.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 5:36 am
I'd guess probably 90%+ atheists wouldn't believe in an afterlife. But the definition of atheism doesn't rule anything else out. You can be an atheist who believes in ghosts, magic, supernatural possession, afterlives, Bigfoot, the tooth fairy and honest lawyers.
What is rather more telling is whether someone is a sceptic (believes things only when there is good evidence). Sceptics are almost all atheists, but the reverse is not true. Many atheists are sceptics, but far from all.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 8:30 am
(January 16, 2016 at 5:05 am)Irrational Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 5:02 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Allah CAN do anything He desires for He is Almighty God.
Can Allah create a more powerful being than itself if he desired to do so? If not, then you're wrong.
Again He has the ability to do as He pleases. However if He created someone/something to be more powerful than Him, then He would be at a lower standard than His creation. So He WOULDNT do something that ridiculous because He has told mankind He is The Supreme Being. By saying this that means no one nor nothing can ever be more powerful or in higher standards than He (Allah). And since He said this, it the absolute truth. Because surely God speaks the truth
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 8:41 am
(January 16, 2016 at 8:30 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 5:05 am)Irrational Wrote: Can Allah create a more powerful being than itself if he desired to do so? If not, then you're wrong.
Again He has the ability to do as He pleases. However if He created someone/something to be more powerful than Him, then He would be at a lower standard than His creation. So He WOULDNT do something that ridiculous because He has told mankind He is The Supreme Being. By saying this that means no one nor nothing can ever be more powerful or in higher standards than He (Allah). And since He said this, it the absolute truth. Because surely God speaks the truth
So he CAN? That means he's not unconditionally all-powerful.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 8:42 am
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(January 16, 2016 at 4:25 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (January 15, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: As CREATIONS we have to have a CREATOR. Plain and simple. We nor any other created being could come into existence without our Creator creating us
Did you know that elemental subatomic particles create hydrogen atoms and that hydrogen atoms create stars? Did you know that stars cook up more complex elements? So technically gravity and hydrogen are our creators because with them nothing happens and they make everything from nothing. Someone created the hydrogen and gravity though. We as Muslims support the big bang theory. How everything created came from nothing. What u fail to realize is that Allah was the initiator of the big bang.When Allah determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. So Allah determined matter starting with a humongous bang spreading particles and molecules forming stars and planets and galaxies all as He willed. He determined exactly how and how long it would take everything to form. He determined the sizes and temperatures and rotations of everything. He determined the exact places and positions of everything and down to the "T" He determined how He wanted everything to coexist with everything else. He determined all of this then He said "Be" and the big bang started and creation was put into motion exactly as He willed
(January 16, 2016 at 8:41 am)Irrational Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 8:30 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Again He has the ability to do as He pleases. However if He created someone/something to be more powerful than Him, then He would be at a lower standard than His creation. So He WOULDNT do something that ridiculous because He has told mankind He is The Supreme Being. By saying this that means no one nor nothing can ever be more powerful or in higher standards than He (Allah). And since He said this, it the absolute truth. Because surely God speaks the truth
So he CAN? That means he's not unconditionally all-powerful. CAN and WILL are two different meanings. Can He create a higher being than Him? If He willed. But why do that because then He wouldn't be the highest anymoreand it would make no sense. And everything He does is sensible for He is the best of planners
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 10:48 am
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(January 16, 2016 at 8:42 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:25 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Did you know that elemental subatomic particles create hydrogen atoms and that hydrogen atoms create stars? Did you know that stars cook up more complex elements? So technically gravity and hydrogen are our creators because with them nothing happens and they make everything from nothing. Someone created the hydrogen and gravity though. We as Muslims support the big bang theory. How everything created came from nothing. What u fail to realize is that Allah was the initiator of the big bang.When Allah determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. So Allah determined matter starting with a humongous bang spreading particles and molecules forming stars and planets and galaxies all as He willed. He determined exactly how and how long it would take everything to form. He determined the sizes and temperatures and rotations of everything. He determined the exact places and positions of everything and down to the "T" He determined how He wanted everything to coexist with everything else. He determined all of this then He said "Be" and the big bang started and creation was put into motion exactly as He willed
(January 16, 2016 at 8:41 am)Irrational Wrote: So he CAN? That means he's not unconditionally all-powerful. CAN and WILL are two different meanings. Can He create a higher being than Him? If He willed. But why do that because then He wouldn't be the highest anymoreand it would make no sense. And everything He does is sensible for He is the best of planners Did anyone ever tell you that quoting from a book is not proof of anything?
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Quote:So He WOULDNT do something that ridiculous because He has told mankind He is The Supreme Being.
What a shame. You were thisclose to comprehending and then stupidity reached out and pulled you back in!
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 2:09 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 8:42 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:25 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Did you know that elemental subatomic particles create hydrogen atoms and that hydrogen atoms create stars? Did you know that stars cook up more complex elements? So technically gravity and hydrogen are our creators because with them nothing happens and they make everything from nothing. Someone created the hydrogen and gravity though. We as Muslims support the big bang theory. How everything created came from nothing. What u fail to realize is that Allah was the initiator of the big bang.When Allah determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. So Allah determined matter starting with a humongous bang spreading particles and molecules forming stars and planets and galaxies all as He willed. He determined exactly how and how long it would take everything to form. He determined the sizes and temperatures and rotations of everything. He determined the exact places and positions of everything and down to the "T" He determined how He wanted everything to coexist with everything else. He determined all of this then He said "Be" and the big bang started and creation was put into motion exactly as He willed
(January 16, 2016 at 8:41 am)Irrational Wrote: So he CAN? That means he's not unconditionally all-powerful. CAN and WILL are two different meanings. Can He create a higher being than Him? If He willed. But why do that because then He wouldn't be the highest anymoreand it would make no sense. And everything He does is sensible for He is the best of planners The Big Bang Theory is BS. It's a religious theory of creation. We know that it is BS because we know how celestial hydrogen is created. And celestial hydrogen is the basic building block of all matter.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 3:05 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 8:42 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:25 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Did you know that elemental subatomic particles create hydrogen atoms and that hydrogen atoms create stars? Did you know that stars cook up more complex elements? So technically gravity and hydrogen are our creators because with them nothing happens and they make everything from nothing. Someone created the hydrogen and gravity though. We as Muslims support the big bang theory. How everything created came from nothing. What u fail to realize is that Allah was the initiator of the big bang.When Allah determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. So Allah determined matter starting with a humongous bang spreading particles and molecules forming stars and planets and galaxies all as He willed. He determined exactly how and how long it would take everything to form. He determined the sizes and temperatures and rotations of everything. He determined the exact places and positions of everything and down to the "T" He determined how He wanted everything to coexist with everything else. He determined all of this then He said "Be" and the big bang started and creation was put into motion exactly as He willed
How exactly do you know any of this? Did God show you this personally? I think you're just making it up as you go along.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
January 16, 2016 at 3:07 pm
No, the Quran is just a book that should be used for toilet paper. Allah can kiss my ass.
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