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Is Quran the proof of God?
RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 15, 2016 at 3:38 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(January 15, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: As CREATIONS we have to have a CREATOR. Plain and simple. We nor any other created being could come into existence without our Creator creating us

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(sigh)  HOW many times have people here posted that ignorant crap?  Is it even worth TRYING to explain, for the 5000th time, why this is in error?
I know it might be difficult for an atheist mindset to interpret but who else except an All powerful being could create the universe, a human being or let alone something as small as a virus or bacteria?
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
You've clearly created a universe in which your god exists, so how hard can it really be?
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 15, 2016 at 4:02 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 15, 2016 at 3:38 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Facepalm
(sigh)  HOW many times have people here posted that ignorant crap?  Is it even worth TRYING to explain, for the 5000th time, why this is in error?
I know it might be difficult for an atheist mindset to interpret but who else except an All powerful being could create the universe, a human being or let alone something as small as a virus or bacteria?

And you apparently think you're the very first theist to post that question here.  Here are a bunch of answers, atheist reasons for not believing in a creator, simplified edition.   Maybe you should actually be aware of a few of them before you post here.  
http://www.nairaland.com/1150005/library...-arguments
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
Allah is not all-powerful, despite what Quran 30:54 and other Iyah say. For example, can Allah have a son? Yes or no?

Or can Allah forgive Shirk? Yes or no? Never understood why Shirk is worse than slavery or killing another human.

Have I not found things Allah cannot do? And that's putting aside the fact that I can't objectively test for Allah. What's a repeatable experiment to prove the existence of Allah?

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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 15, 2016 at 9:30 am)Dasboot Wrote: Not sure how the Quran is proof of anything, except hatred.  The Quran is nothing more than a plagiarised version of the Bible.

My friend first let me say that my intentions are not to deface urs or anyone's belief. I tell this to any and all non-muslims who I debate with. All I am doing is showing why I follow Islam as my only religion and why I worship God Almighty alone. But I have a question for u. Just to get more input on ur belief as an Atheist, what is the view of life after we as humans die? Do u or most atheists in general believe in the Hereafter? Also what is the Atheist view on angels? Do u believe they exist? I'm just trying to understand more of atheism besides just not believing in God
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
Quote:I'm just trying to understand more of atheism besides just not believing in God

Then you are overthinking the process.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 15, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 15, 2016 at 10:47 am)bennyboy Wrote: Ummmm. . . no?

It is possible that something created the universe.  It is possible that something created us.  But "had to" is a poorly supported idea indeed.
As CREATIONS we have to have a CREATOR. Plain and simple. We nor any other created being could come into existence without our Creator creating us

Did you know that elemental subatomic particles create hydrogen atoms and that hydrogen atoms create stars?  Did you know that stars cook up more complex elements?  So technically gravity and hydrogen are our creators because with them nothing happens and they make everything from nothing.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of Go
Sheed: You are making unfounded assumptions.

All you're saying is that you can't personally imagine any other scenario than us being created by something. Reality does not depend on anyone's ability to imagine it.

As Min said, there is nothing more to atheism than disbelief in God. It's trying to make it more than that which causes problems. Each individual atheist will of course have their own personal reasons for whatever beliefs they do or don't hold.
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 15, 2016 at 8:04 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Allah is not all-powerful, despite what Quran 30:54 and other Iyah say. For example, can Allah have a son? Yes or no?

Or can Allah forgive Shirk? Yes or no? Never understood why Shirk is worse than slavery or killing another human.

Have I not found things Allah cannot do? And that's putting aside the fact that I can't objectively test for Allah. What's a repeatable experiment to prove the existence of Allah?
what u and a lot of other people do is try to put God Allah on a human level. Allah CAN do anything He desires for He is Almighty God. The concept ur missing is He WONT have a son, because having offspring is a human/animal act of reproduction and Allah is far above that. Just as He WONT forget, err, eat, drink, get sick, die, repent or many of the other things that we as human have to do through our lives. Just because there are things that we have been blessed to do that God does, doesn't mean it the same. For instance we can forgive people and be merciful bit Allah is Most Forgiving Most Merciful. We as humans can punish people but who's punishment is more severe than Allah's? None. We can see and hear and have knowledge but Allah is All Seeing, All Hearing and All Knowing. We're not. So just because we do things that God does doesn't mean we do them as well as Him, we can't. Also just because we do things doesn't God does them too. He doesn't. Certain actions would lower His standards to the level of His creations which would then make Him equal with others, and God Allah is divinely unique
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RE: Is Quran the proof of God?
(January 16, 2016 at 5:02 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 15, 2016 at 8:04 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Allah is not all-powerful, despite what Quran 30:54 and other Iyah say. For example, can Allah have a son? Yes or no?

Or can Allah forgive Shirk? Yes or no? Never understood why Shirk is worse than slavery or killing another human.

Have I not found things Allah cannot do? And that's putting aside the fact that I can't objectively test for Allah. What's a repeatable experiment to prove the existence of Allah?
Allah CAN do anything He desires for He is Almighty God.

Can Allah create a more powerful being than itself if he desired to do so? If not, then you're wrong.
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