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(January 17, 2016 at 4:52 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I did read it, Rhythm. But, it's not like what you say is applied to every tiny single case.
Knowledge existed in sorrounding communities. But Islam made them blossom even more.
No...neither the quran nor islam did any such thing. An aggressive military state did such things, first by securing pre-existing knowledge and sources (the majority of "islamic science" being an issue of making copies rather than making discoveries). Then, by co-opting the achievements of those groups it had subsumed by force. It's not as if there's any shame in this, the shame is all on your end for attempting to sell aggrandizing fantasy in contradiction to the very source you chose to present.
No, you should be ashamed because you're biased, you want to picture it as if Muslims -under Sauron- have been copying elvish high-tech & seeking to invade the human of Gondor, so they force them to be slaves, producing the lovely innovations teached before, by the mighty elvan kind.
January 17, 2016 at 2:59 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2016 at 3:04 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I'm sorry, did we just go from history to fiction? I guess should have expected that...huh? Perhaps you should read the things you quote, in addition to the things you link.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(January 17, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm sorry, did we just go from history to fiction? I guess should have expected that...huh? Perhaps you should read the things you quote, in addition to the things you link.
Just saying that there are places that became fully Muslim without war : like Indonesia ?
And further more elaborate to say, that there were discoveries ( like coffee ?) ?
But anyhow, why claim you know the hidden agendas of each & every one of those people ?
Why when it's about "modern Jihadi violence" you jump to assure that they are influanced by Islam, while when in things you don't want to acknowledge, you remove that Islamic influence ?
January 17, 2016 at 3:53 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2016 at 4:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Coffee is now synonymous with scientific discovery? Hell, even -I'm- not that dismissive of islam and it's contributions......
Cite whatever you like, I just wish you'd have cited your own source, or taken a look to see what it had to say. What's all this posturing for? Do you disagree with the notion, do you think it's a good idea to make a claim while linking a source which repudiates that very claim - as support of the claim?
"Atlas, you were wrong, the link you provided lays that out very clearly"
-"yeah..well you're an anti-islamic bigot!"
.....................?
(you might want to research the term "double standard" while we're at it...I don't think it means...what you think it means....lol)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(January 17, 2016 at 11:15 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(January 16, 2016 at 8:52 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: CAN and WILL are two different meanings. Can He create a higher being than Him? If He willed. But why do that because then He wouldn't be the Most High anymore and it would make no sense. And everything He does is sensible for He is the best of planners. U try to belittle God's supremacy to human standards. Some idiot human will let his ego get in the way and create a more powerful being than him just because someone says he CANT. But in the long run he belittles himself and no longer is the most high. God WONT do this because He knows He is The Supreme Being and nothing will ever surpass Him regardless of what anyone says. So we can submit to and worship Him alone in this life and be rewarded n the next. Or we can disbelieve in Him and His message and/or associate partners in worship with Him in this life and have the most humiliating painful punishment ever. But I guarantee this my friend if u don't call Him ur LORD in this lifeu definitely will in the next
Sheed could you please stop shouting? We can see well enough in the normal size font, and for those of us visually impaired there is always 'Ctrl+' or a text to voice plug in.
But your stupid use of the xxlarge font isn't only aesthetically ugly, it makes you look like a toddler with impulse control problems.
P.S. Where's my shrubbery? Will I have to bring out the word on you?
Lol. I'm not shouting my friend. It's all in the same modest voice. Just certain words I'd like u to interpret more than others. Plus this dumbphone that I send messages on does some crazy stuff sometime too. But I like ur "shouting" humor. That was a good one?
January 17, 2016 at 5:40 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2016 at 5:41 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Perhaps ital. would suit that task better than billboard posts? To avoid coming across as a raving loon.........
(see how well that works)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(January 17, 2016 at 11:15 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Sheed could you please stop shouting? We can see well enough in the normal size font, and for those of us visually impaired there is always 'Ctrl+' or a text to voice plug in.
But your stupid use of the xxlarge font isn't only aesthetically ugly, it makes you look like a toddler with impulse control problems.
P.S. Where's my shrubbery? Will I have to bring out the word on you?
Lol. I'm not shouting my friend. It's all in the same modest voice. Just certain words I'd like u to interpret more than others. Plus this dumbphone that I send messages on does some crazy stuff sometime too. But I like ur "shouting" humor. That was a good one?
When you make posts in fonts two sizes larger than normal, then it very much looks like shouting. And it just gets worse when the post can be best read as if written by a screaming child, which is exactly what your post is.
(January 17, 2016 at 3:15 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: [quote pid='1176330' dateline='1452991924'] CAN and WILL are two different meanings. Can He create a higher being than Him? If He willed. But why do that because then He wouldn't be the Most High anymore and it would make no sense. And everything He does is sensible for He is the best of planners. U try to belittle God's supremacy to human standards. Some idiot human will let his ego get in the way and create a more powerful being than him just because someone says he CANT. But in the long run he belittles himself and no longer is the most high. God WONT do this because He knows He is The Supreme Being and nothing will ever surpass Him regardless of what anyone says. So we can submit to and worship Him alone in this life and be rewarded n the next. Or we can disbelieve in Him and His message and/or associate partners in worship with Him in this life and have the most humiliating painful punishment ever.
Quote:Why do you get so pissed off when people don't share your delusions?
Not at all my friend. We are having nothing but a friendly conversation about each others religious beliefs. In no way have I been upset by what u say. I apologize if any of my statements seem that way to u. I respect u as a person because unlike some other responses I've received from other members, u haven't cussed or called me out of my name or anything negative towards my belief. So again I apologize for any misunderstanding but all I'm doing is sharing my belief as Muslim and not intending any ill words towards any belief
(January 17, 2016 at 5:19 am)bennyboy Wrote: What the fuck is wrong with you? Just. . . no. The caps, the spelling, the shitty ideas. Just stop. What are you going to achieve here but broadcasting your ignorance to the four corners of the world?
To u be ur way of belief and to me be mine.
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My attitude is that I don't give a damn if the ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish or Arabian religious fairy tales are true. I don't care. I will never adopt either one of them as my religious beliefs. The Bible does have a few good ideas in the more secular books. The Koran doesn't have a single good idea in any of its books. The Koran is less racist than the Bible is. But they both advocate worshiping a crazy-assed murdering deity that's worse than the supposedly evil Satan.
There is no invisible celestial god of any kind in this solar system. All of the good and evil that's done on this planet is done by ordinary people. And over half of the world's population is bat shit crazy.
January 17, 2016 at 6:45 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2016 at 6:48 pm by Sheed1980.)
(January 17, 2016 at 11:15 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(January 16, 2016 at 8:52 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: CAN and WILL are two different meanings. Can He create a higher being than Him? If He willed. But why do that because then He wouldn't be the Most High anymore and it would make no sense. And everything He does is sensible for He is the best of planners. U try to belittle God's supremacy to human standards. Some idiot human will let his ego get in the way and create a more powerful being than him just because someone says he CANT. But in the long run he belittles himself and no longer is the most high. God WONT do this because He knows He is The Supreme Being and nothing will ever surpass Him regardless of what anyone says. So we can submit to and worship Him alone in this life and be rewarded n the next. Or we can disbelieve in Him and His message and/or associate partners in worship with Him in this life and have the most humiliating painful punishment ever. But I guarantee this my friend if u don't call Him ur LORD in this lifeu definitely will in the next
Sheed could you please stop shouting? We can see well enough in the normal size font, and for those of us visually impaired there is always 'Ctrl+' or a text to voice plug in.
But your stupid use of the xxlarge font isn't only aesthetically ugly, it makes you look like a toddler with impulse control problems.
P.S. Where's my shrubbery? Will I have to bring out the word on you?
In response to Richard Feynman's comment. God is Most fair to His creatures. By this I mean He gives us all a chance to know and accept His guidance. This way when we stand b4 Him in judgment we can't say " My Lord, i was in doubt and wasnt sure. My Lord I didn't know" so God makes sure that every person knows about Him and hears of Him. Whether they accept Him or not is the question
(January 17, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(January 17, 2016 at 5:47 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:
Not at all my friend. We are having nothing but a friendly conversation about each others religious beliefs. In no way have I been upset by what u say. I apologize if any of my statements seem that way to u. I respect u as a person because unlike some other responses I've received from other members, u haven't cussed or called me out of my name or anything negative towards my belief. So again I apologize for any misunderstanding but all I'm doing is sharing my belief as Muslim and not intending any ill words towards any belief
(January 17, 2016 at 5:19 am)bennyboy Wrote: What the fuck is wrong with you? Just. . . no. The caps, the spelling, the shitty ideas. Just stop. What are you going to achieve here but broadcasting your ignorance to the four corners of the world?
To u be ur way of belief and to me be mine.
My attitude is that I don't give a damn if the ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish or Arabian religious fairy tales are true. I don't care. I will never adopt either one of them as my religious beliefs. The Bible does have a few good ideas in the more secular books. The Koran doesn't have a single good idea in any of its books. The Koran is less racist than the Bible is. But they both advocate worshiping a crazy-assed murdering deity that's worse than the supposedly evil Satan.
There is no invisible celestial god of any kind in this solar system. All of the good and evil that's done on this planet is done by ordinary people. And over half of the world's population is bat shit crazy.
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All I can say to u my friend is To u be ur way of belief and to me be mine. Good luck to u chief
(January 17, 2016 at 6:45 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: In response to Richard Feynman's comment. God is Most fair to His creatures. By this I mean He gives us all a chance to know and accept His guidance. This way when we stand b4 Him in judgment we can't say " My Lord, i was in doubt and wasnt sure. My Lord I didn't know" so God makes sure that every person knows about Him and hears of Him. Whether they accept Him or not is the question
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