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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 1:36 pm
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(February 5, 2016 at 1:05 pm)Stimbo Wrote: See, that's what people are getting at. You could simply have said "that's interesting, but wrong and here's why...", or something on those lines. Instead you chose the high horse. And I get it; I'm not blameless in responding in a supercilious tone. Difference is I try not to make a habit of it.
His way of disagreeing with me is simply disingenuous. He contradicted his own post in the last paragraph. Enough said.
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 1:38 pm
(February 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Cato Wrote: (February 5, 2016 at 1:20 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Please provide me with definitions of your choosing for deism and theism.
Is Huggy aware that you stole his playbook?
When you get shit for presumably using definitions that suit your point, you might ask for definitions as well.
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 1:42 pm
This one works for most people:
"deism
noun
1.
belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation (distinguished from theism).
2.
belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it."
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Yeah... I normally use dictionaries for definitions. It's the sensible way.
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 3:33 pm
(February 5, 2016 at 9:27 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: At least their God can be described, the deistic God is nothing but a half-baked unprovable and unfalsifiable concept that is by its very definition unknowable, thus meaningless.
I'd wager that the Abrahamic god is also unprovable and unfalsifiable. At least, that's how his followers behave.
Also, some forms of deism subscribe to the belief that the Universe itself is god. That idea has meaning too, even if it is unknowable or unfalsifiable.
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 3:37 pm
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(February 5, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: His way of disagreeing with me is simply disingenuous. He contradicted his own post in the last paragraph. Enough said.
Or, you could reply to the contents of the posts that you quote rather than creating much ado about nothing in slicing out the tiniest snippets for no reason other than avoiding to respond....while simultaneously seeming to respond.
Disingenuous? Glass houses EP, glass houses.
Deists don't use theists criteria for a god, so the fact that they do not meet the criteria of a theists god doesn't lead to them meaning nothing, they just don't mean the same thing..and whatever that other thing is, how it's described to you by the deist in question -not how it's defined by me- is what god means, to them. Your bias for theistic gods and god meanings leads you to conclude that a deistic god doesn't mean anything, when really it's just failed the theistic criteria you've applied, as would be expected of a deistic god.
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 7:47 pm
yeah, I guess I could be a, or join a, anti-over-sized-religion. So long as we are not attacking the normal's that are just trying to get through this shit sandwich we call life. Maybe not antitheist but anti theism. Like communism. I am not anti communist regular people until such time as we have to go to war. But as of now religion is the least dangerous thing in my area.
I am anti pushing-a-belief on others. like pushing anti-religious people does. I do know we are part of a larger system and that system probably is alive. Thats a basic base point. Omni-dude aint real but so is nothing.
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 8:42 pm
(February 5, 2016 at 1:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You think so? How is it then that you think the term god doesn't describe anything in a deistic context? It describes whatever the deist in question says it does (you simply doubt the accuracy of the attribution). All you've refered to is what god describes in a particular theistic context and said..."see....it's not the same thing."
Yeah, no shit....right?
You think that theism added meaning to god, and it did...to theistic gods. Theism, however, has nothing to do with the meaning of god to a deist or a deistic god. It's completely irrelevant.
YES.
Now I'm mad at myself for not saying that.
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 8:45 pm
Mad at yourself? Aw don't be mad at yourself. Hug?
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RE: Antitheism
February 5, 2016 at 8:52 pm
(February 5, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (February 5, 2016 at 9:27 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: At least their God can be described, the deistic God is nothing but a half-baked unprovable and unfalsifiable concept that is by its very definition unknowable, thus meaningless.
I'd wager that the Abrahamic god is also unprovable and unfalsifiable. At least, that's how his followers behave.
Also, some forms of deism subscribe to the belief that the Universe itself is god. That idea has meaning too, even if it is unknowable or unfalsifiable.
excellent.
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