My views on objective morality

[Mystic]

And yet you believe that an all-good God allows the rape of young children so that pedophiles can express their free will.  Do you deny this?  Yes or no? 

I personally deny this.

 God HAS the power to prevent the suffering of these innocents, but chooses not do prevent it.  Do you deny this?  Yes or no?

I personally don't deny this.

[Catholic_Lady]

And as a woman, I find it pretty offensive that you're saying some people have been "niceish" to me only because of what I look like and the size of my chest, and not because of how I am as a person and how I have treated others here. (btw, I AM a she. You can ask that to one of the 10 forum members I have video skyped with, including KingPin, Tiberious, Whateverist, Losty, Poca, and others).  

I haven't said anyone was "niceish."  I've said they've been nicer to you because of who they think you are, not because of the quality of your ideas.  Having seen many forums involving religious males of various persuasions, I'm pretty comfortable that my assertion represents reality.  If you find it offensive, that's fine, but I think you have benefited from it.

Well that's depressing. I thought people on this thread were being "nicer" (though I'd word it as less hostile, not "nicer") to me than to some other theists here because of who I am as a person, because of how I talk to them, because they are my friends, etc, etc.... NOT because of what I look like. I hope you are wrong, because it really bothers me. Because I honestly see so many of you as buddies and like you've welcomed me into the community.

[Mystic]

Well that's depressing. I thought people on this thread were being "nicer" (though I'd word it as less hostile, not "nicer") to me than to some other theists here because of who I am as a person, because of how I talk to them, because they are my friends, etc, etc.... NOT because of what I look like. I hope you are wrong, because it really bothers me. Because I honestly see so many of you as buddies and like you've welcomed me into the community.

Catholic_Lady, people like you because of your patience, calm attitude, and beautiful manners.

There are other Theist members that are liked for similar reasons, like Rayaan.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

*Sigh*

I'm not defending rape.

You are defending rape. You do this when you defend the monster of a god who you insist is good, despite the fact that he stands idly by and watches when it's for certain he could stop it from happening. Oh, how dare you question your god, because he's God? How dare you not question the pig! If he's real at all, then it pleases him to allow rape, deadly childhood diseases, armies of children, witch trials, torture, murder, and much worse, whether he condemns them or not, otherwise he would put a stop to these evils. There can be no redeeming purpose for allowing such suffering and injustice, but there is plenty of use which the Vatican is making with the money which you send it.

[J a c k]

I actually think a lot of the good treatment you get is due to the way you treat others. That does not mean some people may be shallow and give you better treatment due to looks. I'd like to think it's not the majority. People here are very awesome, and I bet you won them over being nice. Like I said, I refrained from entering in discussion here at the beginning, because as I followed your posts, I liked you and didn't want to be mean. I usually don't give theists that luxury, because their arrogance overflows since the get go. So, you are very nice, for the most part. 

It's just that your belief system is gross. 



I know you don't see it. I know. It's still gross.

[Catholic_Lady]

To answer your question, I won't give up my beliefs because they are what I honestly believe to be the truth. And contrary to popular belief around here, they actually DO shape who I am and how I conduct myself. Not on the big things, like, obviously I would not be a serial killer if I didn't believe in God. But with the little things and just every day attitude, conduct, outlook on life and on other people, yes, I do try to follow the teachings and examples of Christ.

And yet you believe that an all-good God allows the rape of young children so that pedophiles can express their free will.  Do you deny this?  Yes or no?  God HAS the power to prevent the suffering of these innocents, but chooses not do prevent it.  Do you deny this?  Yes or no?

Yes, I do believe God gives us free will and allows the world to go as it may, without divine intervention, without micromanaging it. NO, I don't know exactly why God allows things like rape or murder, etc, to happen. I don't know why He doesn't intervene. But as I have explained, it absolutely is NOT because I condone those things, or defend those things, or think they are anything other than objectively, inherently evil acts.

[Catholic_Lady]

Well that's depressing. I thought people on this thread were being "nicer" (though I'd word it as less hostile, not "nicer") to me than to some other theists here because of who I am as a person, because of how I talk to them, because they are my friends, etc, etc.... NOT because of what I look like. I hope you are wrong, because it really bothers me. Because I honestly see so many of you as buddies and like you've welcomed me into the community.

Catholic_Lady, people like you because of your patience, calm attitude, and beautiful manners.

There are other Theist members that are liked for similar reasons, like Rayaan.

And KingPin. Thank you MK.

[Joods]

CL, I consider you my friend. You were the first one on here to send me a friend request on FB. I have never known you to be mean or hateful to anyone here, even when topics get heated, you keep your wits about you. For that, you have the respect of this community. Even if we didn't see your avatar pic, I don't think that would change anything. You are a genuine person. I base my respect for you on the fact that you really do treat others the way you want to be treated. That and you ooze sweetness. I think if I would know you outside of these forums, I would find you to be a wonderful, sweet and caring friend. One that I would be honored to have in my life.

That's all there is to it.

[J a c k]

CL...
you are defending rape, if you defend the god who allows it to happen. You keep saying you will never know why he does things, because he is god and bla bla bla. You say that you're ok with now knowing. Again. Tell that to the victims. Tell that to the kid who was brainwashed into thinking the god loved her, and when she was being raped by a minister she prayed out loud hoping the god would save her, but it never happened. Sorry, kid. The dude's free will has a greater plan that you can't understand because you're tiny. 

Yeah you think rape is evil and objectively wrong, but yet you defend a god who allows it to happen. Don't you see the picture? I mean, really?

[Catholic_Lady]

I actually think a lot of the good treatment you get is due to the way you treat others. That does not mean some people may be shallow and give you better treatment due to looks. I'd like to think it's not the majority. People here are very awesome, and I bet you won them over being nice. Like I said, I refrained from entering in discussion here at the beginning, because as I followed your posts, I liked you and didn't want to be mean. I usually don't give theists that luxury, because their arrogance overflows since the get go. So, you are very nice, for the most part. 

It's just that your belief system is gross. 



I know you don't see it. I know. It's still gross.

That's fine. Personally I think some of the views some of you have are pretty gross too. But I understand that not everyone thinks like me, and I'm ok with that. That's just a part of being different and having different views. I'd never get in your faces about it, or belittle you about it. I may disagree and get into discussion, but I'm not going to be like "So-and-So, your views are vile and disgusting and I am so pissed off right now, and I can't believe you would think that, and that is horrifying!"