Near death experience of Howard Storm

[scoobysnack]

I'm hoping to meet Lord Odin in my next NDE.

Valhalla here I come.

Have you been watching Vikings on history channel? I love that show!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3k73ao...full-hd_tv

Back to the subject of NDE's. I'm on the side of humanity, and think it's important for people to know about this, so I'll have to get back into the conclusions and lessons learned... in the next few days, after I finish Vikings.

[Angrboda]

NDE's are experiences that don't fit into the current paradigm, but because we need to make sense of our world, we will form various conclusions to explain it. The whole idea that everything can be explained is a desperate attempt to remain sane. Personally I don't think we as humans have it all figured out. . . . The same thing happens when people talk about what they experience when leaving their body. The first assumption is that is must be delusional, because science says it's nothing, and consciousness can't exist outside the brain.

What about NDEs lies outside the current paradigm of naturalism? Claiming that people leave their bodies is the only hint of something that can't be explained naturalistically, and it's just a bare claim. You don't know that people actually leave their bodies simply because they experience themselves as leaving their bodies. That's simply not compelling evidence. A person may hallucinate a bear in the room; that they experience the existence of a bear in the room is not evidence of an actual bear in the room. You need better evidence than "they experienced it" to conclude that NDE experiences lie outside the current paradigm. What specifically lies outside the current paradigm?

[scoobysnack]

NDE's are experiences that don't fit into the current paradigm, but because we need to make sense of our world, we will form various conclusions to explain it. The whole idea that everything can be explained is a desperate attempt to remain sane. Personally I don't think we as humans have it all figured out. . . . The same thing happens when people talk about what they experience when leaving their body. The first assumption is that is must be delusional, because science says it's nothing, and consciousness can't exist outside the brain.

What about NDEs lies outside the current paradigm of naturalism?  Claiming that people leave their bodies is the only hint of something that can't be explained naturalistically, and it's just a bare claim.  You don't know that people actually leave their bodies simply because they experience themselves as leaving their bodies.  That's simply not compelling evidence.  A person may hallucinate a bear in the room; that they experience the existence of a bear in the room is not evidence of an actual bear in the room.  You need better evidence than "they experienced it" to conclude that NDE experiences lie outside the current paradigm.  What specifically lies outside the current paradigm?

Just curious if anyone has done any hallucinogenics, like mushrooms, or LSD, or DMT? I've done mushrooms and LSD. Have had both good trips and bad trips. I still remember the first time taking acid. Walking back from gym class and watching the buildings melt, seeing trails from the cars on the street, honestly it was the coolest experience ever up until that point in life. Seeing things happening in the real world that were not there but in your eyes, were happening at the same time. I remember sitting in my recliner and my friend walking in. He was just talking to me, but suddenly the wall behind him turned into a raging fire, and he grew a beard, and horns, and I thought he was just screaming at me. It is crazy what the mind can be made to think is real.

[robvalue]

Edited

Are you seriously telling me you can't see the parallel between what you just said and all this NDE rubbish?

When the brain is in an unusual state, it can hallucinate.

[scoobysnack]

Edited

Are you seriously telling me you can't see the parallel between what you just said and all this NDE rubbish?

When the brain is in an unusual state, it can hallucinate.

I'm saying since everyone assumes it's a hallucination, how many of you have hallucinated through LSD, mushrooms, or DMT? Do you know what it's like?

[KevinM1]

I've hallucinated in the hospital while on morphine.

EDIT: Also, I've had the trippiest, most vivid dreams while on ketamine for anesthesia.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I've hallucinated in the hospital while on morphine.

EDIT: Also, I've had the trippiest, most vivid dreams while on ketamine for anesthesia.

Me too. Hence Jesus.

[KevinM1]

I've hallucinated in the hospital while on morphine.

EDIT: Also, I've had the trippiest, most vivid dreams while on ketamine for anesthesia.

Me too. Hence Jesus.

I think he was one of the hospital's orderlies.... 

[Pat Mustard]

I've hallucinated in the hospital while on morphine.

EDIT: Also, I've had the trippiest, most vivid dreams while on ketamine for anesthesia.

Living in a house alone for two weeks in the middle of the christmas holidays from Uni (so little outside interaction either), had me jumping at shadows and imagining intruders so bad, I was carrying around a carving knife one day. It's amazingly easy to fuck with your own head.

[KevinM1]

I've hallucinated in the hospital while on morphine.

EDIT: Also, I've had the trippiest, most vivid dreams while on ketamine for anesthesia.

Living in a house alone for two weeks in the middle of the christmas holidays from Uni (so little outside interaction either), had me jumping at shadows and imagining intruders so bad, I was carrying around a carving knife one day. It's amazingly easy to fuck with your own head.

While on various medications, I've seen:

Purple cartoon ducks (to be fair, I was watching Ducktales at the time)
An entire (and well produced, I must say) sequence where I saw my own mother operating on me
Giant 3D letters whizzing by my head while I was in a castle's courtyard floating in weird purple-black space
And a bunch of other really vivid shit

So, yeah, that's one of the many reasons why I dismiss NDEs as nothing more as hallucinations caused by brain trauma/chemical imbalances/oxygen deprivation.  I see no reason to elevate them beyond mundane biology.