Near death experience of Howard Storm

[Simon Moon]

So no, you don't understand this then.

Even if you call it a spiritual law. Even if you claim it's for our own good. It's not true just because you say it.

Is it false because you say it is?

No, that's not what he is saying. 

What he is saying, is that without providing demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to support your claims, there is no justification to believe that they are true. 

Those who have experienced it will approve of this message. Those that don't want to believe it will also besmirch it.

Same can be said for the 1000's of people every year that claim to have been abducted by aliens.

In the end, love is all that matters to your development. It will determine your vibrational level, and where you go. Even in your life here, the state of mind will determine your experiences.

There you go again. 

How do you not understand that all you are doing is making a bunch of completely unsupported claims?

[Aegon]

Perhaps it's time that I start talking about this again.

We are all souls, and here for a purpose of learning how to love. All reading this need to understand you chose to come to the physical realm. You chose to have a chance. Many are influenced by the physical because we are meant to experience this existence for what it is, so we can learn from it. It is not a place where we can always come to. Some are old souls, some are new souls, but we have all come for a chance to live. The opportunity here is something you don't get often, and we tend to take this for granted. Even I forget why I'm here often. The more you research the afterlife, and God, the more you will stop making mistakes. For many, it's all about living for the now, instead of living for who we truly are. Again myself included.

NDEs are important because they tell us who we are and where we came from and where we will go. Don't doubt your death is the end, and what you do has no consequences. I'm not here to judge, I'm here to let you know this is not the end. It's just the beginning..

Yeah, just tell me why I should believe any of what you're saying. And like others said, saying it again won't help

[scoobysnack]

Veritas! It would be foolish to go against ultimate truth. We are souls inhabiting humans, that chose to come here, and will leave, and learn after being forced to forget to make this experience challenging, who we truly are. For those who just want to think everything is happening in the brain, it's going to be quite the experience to find yourself outside of your body after death, and wondering what to do next. Hopefully you seek the light, and are not too embarrassed to accept it. The darkness is horrible from people that have come back.

Probably not the best resource but has anyone looked into Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet who helped heal people by going into a trace, and coming back with cures. Interesting person to look into at the least.

http://www.near-death.com/paranormal/edg...ences.html

[drfuzzy]

[robvalue]

Can I just make bald assertions and have them be true by saying it's "ultimate truth"?

Think of the scientific discoveries I could make.

[Pat Mustard]

souls

No such thing. Therefore the rest of your paragraph is invalid because it's central point is based on this falsehood.

[scoobysnack]

souls

No such thing. Therefore the rest of your paragraph is invalid because it's central point is based on this falsehood.

We are all souls. It's basically our energy that never dies and inhabits our human form for our brief life. Examples would be poltergeists that still are in the earthbound realm and can interact with objects. Basically people who have died, but still cling to the physical world and haven't passed into the various spiritual realms yet. I've heard many stories from people I know about strange things happening in their house. Think I already talked about this but one women who's son committed suicide would have strange things happen in her home afterwards. She would walk into her kitchen and see her trashcan lid on a swivel spinning around. Science hasn't progressed enough to study this yet. We are still at the stage of dismissal as the easier explanation.

[Pat Mustard]

No such thing. Therefore the rest of your paragraph is invalid because it's central point is based on this falsehood.

We are all souls. It's basically our energy that never dies and inhabits our human form for our brief life. Examples would be poltergeists" that still are in the earthbound realm and can interact with objects£. Basically people who have died, but still cling to the physical world and haven't passed into the various spiritual realms yet$. I've heard many stories from people I know about strange things happening in their house%. Think I already talked about this but one women who's son committed suicide would have strange things happen in her home afterwards^. She would walk into her kitchen and see her trashcan lid on a swivel spinning around&. Science hasn't progressed enough to study this yet*. We are still at the stage of dismissal as the easier explanation(.

" Poltergeists don't exist. We have absolutely no confirmed evidence of them.
£ What doesn't exist cannot interact with what does exist.
$ There is no spirit world, because there are no spirits for it to exist for. As I said previously there are no souls. In this case spirit=soul so spirits have the same non-existence as souls.
% They are stories, the people who told you them could have lied, hallucinated, inflated minor events, imagined them, dreamt them and so on. But you've not heard one story which was genuinely the cause of a ghost.
^ This is nonsense. Have you any evidence of strange things happen? Has her story been independently verfied? Has it been tested for repeatability and predicability? Unless you can show me all this, your story about "one women [sic]" is lying nonsense.
& She was partaking of strong peyote methinks, or she lied to you.
* Of course it fucking has. Remember the AWARE study? And science has proposed plenty of natural occurences (which have been shown to exist) which can explain any of the "supernatural" shit you keep bringing up. If, for example, your "one women [sic]" was genuine in believing these things happened, she could have been suffering from delusions brought on by ptsd from losing her son so tragically, or suffering from sleep paralysis, or as I said in my previous point partaking of hallucinogenic substances.
( Yes we are at the stage of dismissal, in the case of your explanations and any other "supernatural" ones, because we have plenty of natural explanations which have been verified, yet no single "supernatural" explanation has been validly observed or verified to explain these events. And as is their nature natural events are easier to explain than "supernatural" ones because they agree with reality whereas "supernatural" ones don't.

[dom.donald]

Well, I must admit, I haven't read every page of this thread.

But my immediate thoughts was:

If this guy had grown up in Indonesia, I wonder if he would have met angels, Jesus, or God in his "NDE"?

Anyone could have made up this shit. Most of us don't have the balls to do that and then try and sell it. Or we're not mad enough. So one guy does, one anomaly, and we're all supposed to take his word for it and use it as evidence that God exists? Give me a break.

[scoobysnack]

Well, I must admit, I haven't read every page of this thread.

But my immediate thoughts was:

If this guy had grown up in Indonesia, I wonder if he would have met angels, Jesus, or God in his "NDE"?

Anyone could have made up this shit. Most of us don't have the balls to do that and then try and sell it. Or we're not mad enough. So one guy does, one anomaly, and we're all supposed to take his word for it and use it as evidence that God exists? Give me a break.

There are thousands of stories like this. The sooner people accept the better. God exists, and everyone at the top levels knows this. They also know if they can suppress it, people will look to the state as god, and if no god exists, then we are just animals, and there is no higher purpose than what the elite want us to think. It's actually easier to manipulate the godless because there are no moral absolutes, so they can change society and values a lot easier. At the top, they all worship lucifer, at least for the most part, because Lucifer gives them the temporary power they desire while here. They don't push love, they are at war with us right now.