Hope for America!!

[Brian37]

I believe children should be educated and able to make their own decisions. I also know that the associations that you make in a child's brain will stay with them for life and that this requires a lot of responsibility.

You haven't even demonstrated that you know what empathy is. Demonstrate to us that you understand the concept and what it means, rather than some dictionary definition.

Maybe you should start an empathy thread, or take this discussion where it can be topical and focused on. Empathy has no business here in this thread.

And you would have no business holding the position of doctor, policeman judge or lawyer with that attitude. Empathy is what gave rise to western secular law, not your bible. Empathy is why we don't have the problems the theocracies of the Middle East do. 

My dad thought like you, thought hitting me was tough love. One day at the Marina when I was 6 or 7, I got into a pick up game of "smear the queer" which is where you throw a football up and whomever catches it everyone else tackles. Problem was these boys were much bigger, had to be 9 and up, and pummeled me beyond what friends do teasing each other, I was an easy target. It didn't take me long to  realize I was in over my head. I left and went back to the boat. 

My dad with an irritated voice asked me why I came back, I told him the other boys were hurting me. You know what he did? My dad punched me in the stomach and told me to go back out and play. Oh yea, I left, but simply hid from the other kids. I hated him for doing that to me. I needed comfort at that point, or to have him go back out with me and tell them to not be so rough. Nope, he thought he was making me tough. Now, if he were alive today I'd kick him in the nuts for doing that to me. 

NOW FUCK YOU you don't have any psychological understanding what hitting and pain can do to a kid.

[Losty]

So you are unable to demonstrate that you understand the concept of empathy or why it is important. You talk about obligation and nothing else.

How do you know that this isn't a result of how your father beat you as a child?

I hope it were that simple/Beat a child, and teach him accountability and resolute obligation. But as so many of you hippy douches can attest you were beaten and all the wrong things happened or were supposedly the result of it.

It wasn't the beating or the tearing down of the child's will that should be the focus. its the rebuilding of the child in the right direction after the beating that is the difference between blind aggression than makes hippy douche bags and instilling discipline and accountability.

You are a disgusting pathetic excuse for a human being.

I can train any dog without hitting it.

nupe.

You can only train a blank slate of a dog. You can not 'train a dog' who has been train to eat your ass if I tell it to. the only thing going to stop a dog like that is a beating or deadly force.

This is actually complete and utter bullshit. You fucking jackass.

[Drich]

No what I am saying is unlike your children I will not be manipulated into doing your bidding for the sake of empathy. I don't care what that makes me in your eyes or people who think as corruptly as you do.

Empathy is not nor ever will be the controlling factor in my life empathy will never be the deciding factor for anything. The love I have for God and the Love I have for others will be, Even if it means putting others through the grinder for their own good.

That doesn't answer my question.

How do you know that being beaten by your father when you were a child isn't responsible for you lacking empathy and being unable to understand why it is important?

Because i can feel and relate the pain others may be experiencing. However I have made the decision not to be some primate level human being who is lead around by his emotions or what he feel, or feel for others nor will i be manipulated in compromising my value system because of what others may 'feel.' I with a clear head and with sound mind have chosen what is right and what is wrong/a system of value to live by, and did so not because it was popular, nor because it felt good. but because right.

This system of right and wrong and doing what is right despite pull from emotion is what allowed me to endure the pain an hardship of my wife heroin addiction, has kept me in business for 15 years, and honest. has help me help others navigate the hardship life brings with out placating people and telling them just what they want to hear. But help offer them real change and a real change in their life.

So how do I know this did come out of beatings because again a great number of you have been beaten as well and by all accounts are screwed up. The beating is the tearing down of a child if a parent does not build the child back up then the kid is left to do so on his own. How many times has a child been able to put a life back together after an adult has wrecked it?

That sport is how I know my life is not due to just the beatings. It was a combination of tearing down what I wanted to build and then being forced to remake myself into a responsible dependable servant to my God (later on) and my community.

[Drich]

So violence is not the way to solve the ISIS problem?

Violence is a short term fix like duct tape. The real way to cure the world of ISIS is via education and helping the poor.

You do understand what you consider to be 'education' is punishable by beheading in the Islamic state right? How do you 'educate those people' if you first do not remove by force those supporting that law?

[abaris]

However I have made the decision not to be some primate level human being who is lead around by his emotions or what he feel, or feel for others nor will i be manipulated in compromising my value system because of what others may 'feel.'

Just the same as deciding not to be gay. Face it, man, you try passing for human, since you don't know the first thing about human emotions and empathy.

[Losty]

Violence is a short term fix like duct tape. The real way to cure the world of ISIS is via education and helping the poor.

You do understand what you consider to be 'education' is punishable by beheading in the Islamic state right? How do you 'educate those people' if you first do not remove by force those supporting that law?

It's certainly not an easy fix but there are amazing people who are interested in a real fix and are fighting for that fix. And then there are douchenozzles like you who go for violence which gives a temporary fix while in the long run making the problem worse.

[Whateverist]

Yep, god belief as such isn't the problem. It's the weird sick shit assholes like Drich sneak in with it.

[abaris]

It's certainly not an easy fix but there are amazing people who are interested in a real fix and are fighting for that fix. And then there are douchenozzles like you who go for violence which gives a temporary fix while in the long run making the problem worse.

Don't get derailed. His constant repetition of Islamic state is just a means to divert attention from him actually endorsing it, if it was his brand of christianity.

[Jackalope]

Maybe you should start an empathy thread, or take this discussion where it can be topical and focused on. Empathy has no business here in this thread.

That isn't your call.

[Drich]

and if he responds to positive your warm gentle tone, with a kick to the gentiles and a loogie to the face??

I will admit, this method is easier if you do it from the start. But if a child were to kick me and spit on me, my reaction would obviously be to tell him/her that I simply cannot talk with someone who is acting so mean. Then I would completely ignore them until they seemed calm. Then I would try again. Patience is important with kids. I have personally seen this method work with "severely behavioral" children. I used to volunteer in a classroom with severe autism kids, and this method generally works even on them. While they may not understand why they can't bite you many could at least work out that if they bite you you'll ignore them. Kids don't like to be ignored.

But again this kid was running out into traffic while school was being dismissed. The reason for the kicking and spitting is because he was forcably stopped. So when you are pouting because he is being mean, do you think he will just wait or will he go back into traffic?

I worked with a friend who's job is to work with the kids you spoke with after they stopped being kids at a camp with him. I can promise you no one there was going to stop biting because you talked with them. they only stopped when they were taken down hard a few times when they did bite or rip off someone shirt. Very carrot and stick with everything we did.