Can anyone please refute these verses of Quran (or at least their interpretations)?

[robvalue]

Yeah...

He's just inserting words and ideas not present in the texts. Because he already believes the book is magical, he assumes the passages must mean something amazing. His imagination does the rest.

Ask him to predict, very specifically, what the next scientific discovery will be.

[Alex K]

Yeah, what's that Dark Matter stuff all about for example. There's got to be something in there about that, no?

[ReptilianPeon]

It should be noted that Zakir Naik is not a real medical doctor. He's not on the Indian Medical Register. He's not a man of science, as he claims. Anyone who worships him, as many Wahaabi-Salafi people do, needs to have their head examined.

[Cyberman]

Naik is also a former board member of the far-right Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA), branded a hate group by the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain.

[Pat Mustard]

Welcome. I will quote you one of my earlier posts which adresses this issue. I will just cut out the irrelevant parts

AHH THE GOOD OLD SCIENTIFIC SHIT IN THE QUR'AN. When the science is "against" them they deny it! And when the science is "with" them they accept it!

Like the one where the Qur'an says that iron came from outer space. "How could Mahmoud possibly know that a stunning 1400 years ago before modern science?" Well he fucking didn't. It was knowledge taken from the ancient Egyptians, they knew about it around 5000 years ago because they harvested iron from meteorites. And I'm pretty sure you can see meteoroids (meteorites before impact) falling from outer space/the sky. So there goes one scientific "miracle" to hell. Also note that it wasn't God's words. It was ancient Egyptians knawwledge implemented into the Qur'an.
[source: http://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-egypt...ce-1.13091]

"But, what about when the Qur'an mentions the BIG BANG!?" Actually the Qur'an wasn't first. The Sumerians were, it was a sumerian creation story (didn't represent the Big Bang fyi, just misinterpreted). So the people who wrote the Qur'an thought this made sense and implemented it into the Qur'an. 
[source: http://nautil.us/issue/17/big-bangs/the-...tion-story]

"Hold on, the Qur'an says that the our Earth is spherical, explain that!" Yeah, thanks to Pythagoras around 500 B.C. an ancient greek mathematician and philosophor had the brains to calculate it/know it, so, yeah. It was possible before modern science. Here again the writers of the Qur'an took knowledge from others and implemented it. Scientific "miracle"? Nope.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras] (CTRL+F search: spherical)

And don't even mention the embryo. It was also taken from the ancient greeks. They had theories on it, Aristotle studied it and even gave accurate description to the embryo development of a hound shark.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle] (CTRL+F search: embryo)

What about when the Qur'an mentions that the moon doesn't shine, but reflects the sunlight? How could Mahmodi have known that? Yet again, taken from the ancient greeks.
Anaxagoras knew that the moon reflected didn't shine and reflected light around 500 B.C
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras] (CTRL+F search: moon)

And before you ask how could Muhammed have had access to all this knowledge. Well if you didn't skip school, or at least made your research then you would have known around the times the Qur'an was written or modified, the arabic empire was huge. It stretched out very far, and they were great at trading since they made their own silver coins, which became more and more common. They had many universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, they had even learnt a lot from the Indians, including mathematics, medicine etc. And all the knowledge they've taken has been in their reach: Mesopotamia, ancient Greece, Sumer etc. Coincidence?

Also I advise you to search for something that you're skeptical about with debunked at the end. E.g "Scientific miracles debunked"

Keep in mind the last paragraph wasn't directed towards you.

Best regards, 

On the spherical earth bit, also google Eratosthenes, who managed to measure the length of the equator to within 2% in BCE times, if our modern guess for the length of a Greek stade is correct.

[WinterHold]

Welcome. I will quote you one of my earlier posts which adresses this issue. I will just cut out the irrelevant parts

AHH THE GOOD OLD SCIENTIFIC SHIT IN THE QUR'AN. When the science is "against" them they deny it! And when the science is "with" them they accept it!

Like the one where the Qur'an says that iron came from outer space. "How could Mahmoud possibly know that a stunning 1400 years ago before modern science?" Well he fucking didn't. It was knowledge taken from the ancient Egyptians, they knew about it around 5000 years ago because they harvested iron from meteorites. And I'm pretty sure you can see meteoroids (meteorites before impact) falling from outer space/the sky. So there goes one scientific "miracle" to hell. Also note that it wasn't God's words. It was ancient Egyptians knawwledge implemented into the Qur'an.
[source: http://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-egypt...ce-1.13091]

"But, what about when the Qur'an mentions the BIG BANG!?" Actually the Qur'an wasn't first. The Sumerians were, it was a sumerian creation story (didn't represent the Big Bang fyi, just misinterpreted). So the people who wrote the Qur'an thought this made sense and implemented it into the Qur'an. 
[source: http://nautil.us/issue/17/big-bangs/the-...tion-story]

"Hold on, the Qur'an says that the our Earth is spherical, explain that!" Yeah, thanks to Pythagoras around 500 B.C. an ancient greek mathematician and philosophor had the brains to calculate it/know it, so, yeah. It was possible before modern science. Here again the writers of the Qur'an took knowledge from others and implemented it. Scientific "miracle"? Nope.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras] (CTRL+F search: spherical)

And don't even mention the embryo. It was also taken from the ancient greeks. They had theories on it, Aristotle studied it and even gave accurate description to the embryo development of a hound shark.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle] (CTRL+F search: embryo)

What about when the Qur'an mentions that the moon doesn't shine, but reflects the sunlight? How could Mahmodi have known that? Yet again, taken from the ancient greeks.
Anaxagoras knew that the moon reflected didn't shine and reflected light around 500 B.C
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras] (CTRL+F search: moon)

And before you ask how could Muhammed have had access to all this knowledge. Well if you didn't skip school, or at least made your research then you would have known around the times the Qur'an was written or modified, the arabic empire was huge. It stretched out very far, and they were great at trading since they made their own silver coins, which became more and more common. They had many universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, they had even learnt a lot from the Indians, including mathematics, medicine etc. And all the knowledge they've taken has been in their reach: Mesopotamia, ancient Greece, Sumer etc. Coincidence?

Also I advise you to search for something that you're skeptical about with debunked at the end. E.g "Scientific miracles debunked"

Keep in mind the last paragraph wasn't directed towards you.

Best regards, 

I had an opinion about that argument:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-42223-po...pid1242465

I'm actually shocked that there are people accepting your historical lack of of info; RozKek, when you said that "Arabs had a huge empire before Islam".

Anyhow, I personally don't incline towards the science thing in the Quran that much; sure, there are these obvious verses and even more, but the main thing that makes you relate with the Quran is life and the book's logic. Nothing more, nothing less.

You can sense and feel the shortness of life, things like why the universe is so big, why evil exists, then you come to the concept of the merciful God who is at the same time vengeful, his mercy, punishment, might can all be seen in the law of the universe; how things that don't stand in line vanish and go, burned in huge cosmic explosions, but the scene gets interrupted by a dear giving birth..or baby ducks perhaps?

That what makes me believe; mainly. Scientific stuff make it stronger; make me shake too.

I don't trust scholars in general, I also don't their tone in many cases; totally not my taste, not being a sunni or shia, I go with the Quran alone, anyhow, my own way. God blesses at the end of the day.

[Simon Moon]

What is there to refute?

This is standard post hoc rationalisation. Forcing ignorant religious texts to try to fit modern scientific discoveries.

Here is a post on a different forum from a Hindu with a list of the passages in the Hindu religious texts that are equally "impressive" as those in the Quran. I'll bet Zakir Naik wouldn't accept them as proof for the Hindu god, right?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/s...see.84199/

[WinterHold]

What is there to refute?

This is standard post hoc rationalisation. Forcing ignorant religious texts to try to fit modern scientific discoveries.

Here is a post on a different forum from a Hindu with a list of the passages in the Hindu religious texts that are equally "impressive" as those in the Quran. I'll bet Zakir Naik wouldn't accept them as proof for the Hindu god, right?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/s...see.84199/

The link was truly stunning. Stunning.
God might've revealed all these secrets to ancient Hindus, and little by little they twisted their religion to produce the polytheism of today, just like Christianity, and just like Sunna/Shia Islam.

I think it's very weird for an ancient hindu, to waste his time writing thousands of sentences, that actually fit the scientific narrative, all this religions are revealed by the SAME ENTITY, God, Allah, the Father, Krishna...etc the same, and the last religion is the Quran, that was revealed to destroy all the forgery of humans that twisted the old religions, and to teach us how to live.

[ReptilianPeon]

So, Atlas, even religions that appear to contradict each were revealed by Allah? Are you saying Allah is deliberately trying to mislead people? Come on, you're not Ahmadi -you do not believe Krishna and Buddha were prophets sent by Allah, do you? When have these two ever preached Tawhid?

[Drich]

Hi everyone! First time poster here. I consider myself to be agnostic; I was born in a muslim family , but I abandoned my faith in my early 20's, alhtough I had been a skeptic ever since my teenage. Because when I heard all the Islamic stories in my text books, I just found them stupid. 

Anyways my question here is regarding some verses of Quran. Just recently, I was watching Zakir Naik's debate with an atheist. The atheist asked how do you know the Quran is word of God; he replied that because there is science in Quran that the modern scientists have come to know about very recently,but it was mentioned in Quran recently, and then Zakir Naik quoted the following verses;

21:30 Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? 
He claims that above verse mentions big bang.

And the following verse he claims that tell us that earth is spherical:
79:30 And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); (I do realize that Zakir Naik is just a showman; and that this verse does not say earth is spherical)

And then he mentions there is genetics, embryology etc in the Quran that science came to know about recently but was mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago.

So will someone please refute the above verses and refute any other so called scientific verses that Muslim apologists claim to be contained in Quran or Hadith

Regards

The above quotes are the reason so many radical chriatians tend to be King James Version of the bible only. Because that bible is speaking in a dead dialect but just enough common language it allows them to interpret anything they want it to say.

This is no different.

Now if you find a honest translation in common english it maybe a little harder to pretend the koran mentions the big bang.
http://www.clearquran.com/