About atheism

[LostLocke]

Yes. For example agnostic position is a default.

First of all.... no.
Second, even if that were true, most atheists are agnostics anyway, so it works out just fine.
I have a very strong feeling about what comes next.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think that's an artifact of thousands of years of brutal and pervasive hegemony, personally.  It would be intersting to see whether or not, in a few decades or centuries, atheists are as willing to claim knowledge as theists currently are.  

Most of us don't defer to agnosticism with regards to bigfoot...but if Bigfootists had been setting the cultural agenda and eliminating dissent for as long as god believers have been...perhaps we would.

[Redbeard The Pink]

I love that this person simply presumes to tell us that atheism doesn't exist/is stupid when he clearly has no idea what it means, or what agnostic means, for that matter.


Purp, if you think atheists are stupid, I have bad news, dude: ALL agnostics are atheists by definition. An atheist is just somebody who holds no positive belief that any gods exist. If you claim to "not know" or to not be able to know, then you hold no positive belief in god, and that makes you an atheist.


Atheism has no comment on the afterlife or the supernatural. It pertains only to whether gods exist.


As for "anything being possible in the Universe," that is absurd. Some things are impossible by definition. A square circle, for instance, can't exist because a square HAS to have four corners and a circle HAS to have none. Because these definitions exclude each other, a square circle cannot exist unless you change the definitions of those words.


The god claims, aside from being traceable fictions, usually run into this problem, and Jehovah is the worst offender. Practically all his alleged qualities contradict each other, so it's impossible for him to exist.

[purplepurpose]

Redbread. Its funny how our egoism works. Magical afterlife and magical supernatural - no comment(I don't object). Creator of magic you say?(Game master).I refuse to believe in such magic! LoL

[abaris]

Again, this is why I'm ignostic. I don't know what the fuck a god is, and no theist can tell me. No point in sugar coating it.

I'm agnostic because I can't rule out a totally neutral superior intelligence running the shop. Whatever you want to call such a being. That's what I subscribed to when I wasn't yet ready for atheism. Until I noticed that a totally neutral entity wouldn't care about worship anyway.

[KevinM1]

The point is that since there's no credible evidence of an afterlife or the supernatural, there's no reason to believe that there's some super being that is supernatural who runs the afterlife.

They all may exist. We don't know. It seems incredibly unlikely given what we do know about the universe. But since nothing actually points to any of it being true (religion is the claim, NOT evidence for the claim) there's no reason to believe it's true. Incredibly remote possibility doesn't equal actuality.

[RozKek]

We being soulless meatbags isn't an atheistic belief. Atheism is SIMPLY THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A DEITY.

I'm seriously getting sick of people thinking atheism is a belief, atheism isn't a belief, atheism makes no assumptions, atheism has no rules, atheism isn't a religion, a cult, it's not anything like that it's simply yet again THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A DEITY AND NOTHING MORE.

You cannot have a godless/faceless magical/immaterial afterlife where you continue to live, there has to be a organaizer in the end.

Elaborate, please. Explain to me why, in scientific terms. And use evidence/arguments, counter arguments etc from both sides i.e the arguments/evidence that support your claim and the arguments/evidence that do not support your claim. Don't be biased, use reliable and good sources. Don't just pull a claim out of your ass, and if you do justify it using sciencific evidence since it's not based on assumptions.

[The Grand Nudger]

Who cares about scientific terms?  Can we explain...even in magical terms, why there has to be some organizer of this imaginary afterworld? I don't think so.

[purplepurpose]

You cannot have a godless/faceless magical/immaterial afterlife where you continue to live, there has to be a organaizer in the end.

Elaborate, please. Explain to me why, in scientific terms. And use evidence/arguments, counter arguments etc from both sides i.e the arguments/evidence that support your claim and the arguments/evidence that do not support your claim. Don't be biased, use reliable and good sources. Don't just pull a claim out of your ass, and if you do justify it using sciencific evidence since it's not based on assumptions.

Supernatural and afterlife is beyond modern science... So, our mind is linked to our brains and if our body dies mind goes to etenal sleep as well(sleeping is very similiar to none existing).

But if our minds still existing after death,, then something else "powers" our consciousness - magic.

And if an atheist "grabs with his egoistic hands magical afterlife and neat supernatural stuff" but portrays the possibility of magical creator as fairy tales...

Please don't be offended because I talk about magic. But you cannot have pleasant magic like afterlife and ignore unpleasant like God.

[The Grand Nudger]

Okay, it's "beyond science"...what else then, since it isn't a scientific proposition...did you use to arrive at this knowledge? Still wondering why you think there has to be a god for there to be an afterlife, as well...you just keep reasserting that this is so. There are more than a few afterlife beliefs that don't come packaged with god beliefs. Plenty of magical beliefs that don't come packaged with god beliefs.

Why are these beliefs wrong, in your estimation....and how did you arrive at this conclusion?

I;m also still wondering why you continue to refer to pleasantness as though it were relevant? I've given you clear examples that show it isn't, or -at least- isn't necessarily so. Will you be fleshing that out either...or will we be treated to a boring procession of empty claims?