Evidence for atheist claims

[Little Rik]

Son.  

What is new to you today will become obvious the day you will stop fantasize that the universal body can run without a mind.

When did I start fantasizing that, precisely, lol?

 
Have you ever seen a body wondering around without a head stuck to his body?

LOL, not a human one...

Let me know if you have.  
In this case you should alert the medical community, lawyers and insurers.  

After I'm done shooting at it (just in case)...I probably would.  

That was fun, but......again, if you can show that brain-dead people are conscious and have access to the "real reality", AF.com probably isn't the place to let that pearl of insight languish.

Read son, read a bit of these experiences.  

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

[The Grand Nudger]

Anecdotes are not as convincing to me as they are to you, and they won't become more convincing if I read more of them.

[abaris]

Ah, sorry. Just dropped in since I forgot that Rik has hijacked this thread. My bad, nevermind the intrusion.

[Little Rik]

And your proof is?  Have you died and seen this for a fact?

You like rhythm should also read hundreds of NDEs experience to understand how the system works.

As far as whether i did die before and seen this it is obvious that i did.
The consciousness get awakened more and more as we live die live again and again and die again and again.
From low form of lives to man.
There is no other way to learn and expand our consciousness so yes we all have been through all this.
The reason why we do not remember is again an obvious one.
To remember our many past lives would be a real problem.
It is hard enough to put up with one life of hardship.
To put up with a myriad of lives it would be an absolute mental hell that is why we are not allow to remember.  

[TheRocketSurgeon]

You like rhythm should also read hundreds of NDEs experience to understand how the system works.

Nah, I prefer to read hundreds of Bigfoot and Alien Abduction experiences, to understand how the system works.

Never in my life have I met someone in more dire need of a well-read copy of The Demon-Haunted World. You have the most utterly broken Baloney Detector Kit that I have ever seen on a human being, and that's saying something.

[Edit to Add: "Indubitably."]

[The Grand Nudger]

Why, Why Rik...should either of us read those stories?  Will they suddenly convince us, when such stories have -already- failed to do so? Will they become convincing? How?

[Little Rik]

Ah, sorry. Just dropped in since I forgot that Rik has hijacked this thread. My bad, nevermind the intrusion.

Son.  

There is not such a thing as to hijacked a forum.
A forum is not a club in which people with the same ideas meet.
In a club it would be called an intrusion to challenge the norm established by the policy of the club.
The forum is different.
Anybody can challenge everybody else.
This is the spirit of the forum.
By the way son.
Would you really like to know how many times you guys hijacked my previous thread?
I lost the count to tell you the truth but almost every single day somebody did it.  

[abaris]

Son.  

First, I'm probably not your son. Rather your father, as far as age goes. Secondly, there are some people I have on mental ignore. The ones not offering anything of interest, but not bothering me sufficiently to reply.

[Little Rik]

Son.  

First, I'm probably not your son. Rather your father, as far as age goes. Secondly, there are some people I have on mental ignore. The ones not offering anything of interest, but not bothering me sufficiently to reply.

Dad.  

You must be at least 97 now because I am 77.      

[Angrboda]

So once again you're making up an idealized version of the truth.  Your account of NDEs is bogus.

You never change yog, do you?  

As usual you make a fool of yourself.  

Hell is a state of mind but this state can and will one day have to change because nobody like
to live in such a state.
The only permanent thing is the cosmic mind behind this illusion but let us come to your hell.
Once you leave your dead body (when you die so to speak) you can not possibly end up in an hell in which you suffer physically.
You only have YOU your consciousness.
The old body has been left behind to rot so how can you possibly feel physical pain?
It is your story that is bogus therefore.
In the after life there is no such a thing as a tormentor.
If you done something wrong in your life it is you that may torment yourself and therefore
it is a state of mind.
When you realize how pure and full of love this place is and at the same time you realize how
bad you are you suffer.
This suffering is caused by you not by a tormentor.
However through the reincarnation you can sort out your problems and at the end everything will be fine.

Wrong once again yog.  

You're so full of shit. You claim that NDEs are proof of the afterlife, but now you claim the afterlife that NDEs describe isn't the real one. You can't have it both ways. Either NDEs are proof of the existence of a hellish afterlife, or you have to discount them entirely, which is what you've done. You can't claim something as evidence and then claim that something is wrong. It's nothing but a nonsensical disavowal of the evidence you claimed. So which is it? Are NDEs an accurate depiction of reality or aren't they? Because if they aren't, then they aren't evidence of an afterlife.

You're just making shit up and changing the subject. Regardless of what you believe, you were wrong about NDEs not describing the classical hell. But nice little tapdance trying to distance yourself from your error. If real NDEs aren't the source of your knowledge of the afterlife, then you're just pulling this shit from your ass.