Does god need your help?

[purplepurpose]

Sarcasm? I''ll clarify once again to be sure. He is in need of souls like Jesus and Gandhi, rarest "diamonds" who have passed the fire of trails and showed greatest treasure in his opinion - unconditional love.

The rest can survive and live as animals on easy and pleasant feelings like lust, anger, envy, greed, violence and thats isn't interesting to him at all(according to holy books).

[robvalue]

No sarcasm. I'm trying to reflect back what you are saying.

[Minimalist]

Great replies, thanks guys

No other theist answers. In some ways, I take that as a good thing. It may mean they are taking a moment to think about it.

[/optimist]

If you consider this "thinking?"

[purplepurpose]

I feel that, Minimalist, is triggered by those quotes from holy books. Im triggered too btw, I feel you bro. Its painful to even read, but philosophically it looks good.

[robvalue]

Hmm, so the score is still low here. We have one "God needs no help", and one... whatever PP said, I'm not too sure if it was a yes or no.

Is that it? I'll have to assume everyone else has no idea if God needs their help, so they're just doing stuff to be on the safe side in case he does.

[Shadow_Man]

robvalue,

From my perspective as a Christian.

Does god need your help?

No.
Yes.
Both at the same time.
Both in equal measure.

I am a Father. My children are all grown up. I raised them to be the best people they can be.

Did I need their help in raising them? Of course not. I was the teacher. They were the students.

Did I need their help in raising them? Of course. They had to put the teachings into practice to internalize what they were learning. They could not have become who they are without their participation in the process. Part of the teaching was about how to treat other people, so they interacted with other people a lot.

God's plan is not a mysterious secret. God's plan is to create His own children, and to raise us up to become the best that we can be, which is to be like Him.

God's plan is not something that will happen in the future, with we Christians just sitting around waiting for that future to occur. God's plan is unfolding in our lives all the time. In a nutshell, we are God's plan.

If the answer is yes, then your God is pretty feeble. No offense, but you're just a human. If he needs your help, he's more comparable to us than to a deity.

If the answer is no, then why are you acting on his behalf? Do you know better than God how he wants things done? Can he not cope on his own? Does he need protecting? Do things need to be a certain way before he can continue with his "plan"?

Now that you know God's plan, the answers to your questions should be self-evident.

I suggest that the greatest act of faith and confidence in God is to leave all of that up to him, and to stop acting like he needs armies of people to do his bidding. Every action taken on his behalf betrays a lack of faith, and a frustration with his inaction. It also reveals an arrogance that you know better than God what should be done.

The greatest act of faith and confidence in God is to live a Godly life to the best of my knowledge and ability. In doing so I am fulfilling His plan, becoming more like Him with each passing year. At least that is my hope. Other people might consider that I am failing utterly.

Regards,
Shadow_Man

[robvalue]

Okay thanks for your answer. It makes no sense to me, but I appreciate it anyway.

People are very fond of making analogies between God and humans. But unless God is actually equivalent to a human, they are always faulty because humans have extremely limited resources and influence in comparison.

[ignoramus]

robvalue,

From my perspective as a Christian.

Does god need your help?

No.
Yes.
Both at the same time.
Both in equal measure.

I am a Father. My children are all grown up. I raised them to be the best people they can be.

Did I need their help in raising them? Of course not. I was the teacher. They were the students.

Did I need their help in raising them? Of course. They had to put the teachings into practice to internalize what they were learning. They could not have become who they are without their participation in the process. Part of the teaching was about how to treat other people, so they interacted with other people a lot.

God's plan is not a mysterious secret. God's plan is to create His own children, and to raise us up to become the best that we can be, which is to be like Him.

God's plan is not something that will happen in the future, with we Christians just sitting around waiting for that future to occur. God's plan is unfolding in our lives all the time. In a nutshell, we are God's plan.

If the answer is yes, then your God is pretty feeble. No offense, but you're just a human. If he needs your help, he's more comparable to us than to a deity.

If the answer is no, then why are you acting on his behalf? Do you know better than God how he wants things done? Can he not cope on his own? Does he need protecting? Do things need to be a certain way before he can continue with his "plan"?

Now that you know God's plan, the answers to your questions should be self-evident.

I suggest that the greatest act of faith and confidence in God is to leave all of that up to him, and to stop acting like he needs armies of people to do his bidding. Every action taken on his behalf betrays a lack of faith, and a frustration with his inaction. It also reveals an arrogance that you know better than God what should be done.

The greatest act of faith and confidence in God is to live a Godly life to the best of my knowledge and ability. In doing so I am fulfilling His plan, becoming more like Him with each passing year. At least that is my hope. Other people might consider that I am failing utterly.

Regards,
Shadow_Man

Appreciated the response...

What a lot of atheists will be asking is:
Hey, I can relate to that guy.
I teach my kids, I adore them.
I show them kindness and compassion, etc

What you are doing is great. You are a good human being... No fictitious add on characters necessary.
YOU did it all for your kids. Not the invisible man.

There is for all practical intents and purposes, absolutely no difference with how you bring up your kids since God doesn't interact with this universe.
It's all strictly hypothetical. Don't mention it to your kids...no probs ...They'll still grow up good people because they had good parents.
It's really not rocket science, is it?
There really is no need to burden them with all this extra baggage which they're going to have to do the mental gymnastics for, for the rest of their lives to make the cognitive dissonance palatable.
Are you really doing the right thing? Or just doing what you need to do because well, HELL > cannot risk it!

[purplepurpose]

Fire(God) creates sparks(minds). Both have the same nature.

People mostly are egotists so nobody cares about Gods idealistic views or what he needs help with.

[robvalue]

I have no idea what you're talking about.