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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:25 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 2:34 pm)IATIA Wrote: Because if there were a god, could it not have told the gorilla to leave the kid alone? Or kept the kid from falling into the pit in the first place? Instead, the poor caged gorilla was killed. So, "Thank god the gorilla was killed and I can continue to be an idiot"?
So basically you're saying believing in God makes someone a douche.
No, believing in god makes one delusional, inattentiveness with a three year old child around caged animals, makes her a douche.
Any bets she was texting?
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:28 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: It is hard for humans to comprehend how flimsy they are compared to an adult gorilla (or a juvenile, for that matter). The silverback was acting agitated and dominating, not protective. Gorillas are perfectly capable of being gentle to their own young and, as a rule, don't drag them around like old dolls. This one was exhibiting behavior that typically leads to violently throwing things around, destroying scenery, and chest thumping. The child could have been maimed killed instantly at any point.
Yes. Furthermore people are basing their judgement off of a 1 minute video, even though the kid was in there for 10 minutes. Apparently, by the time the firefighters got there, the gorilla was continuing to drag the kid around and even throwing him. Zoo personnel determined that the boy's life WAS in imminent danger. It's stupid that we think we can sit at our computers, watch a 1 minute video, and assume we know better than the experts who were there.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:30 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 3:25 pm)IATIA Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So basically you're saying believing in God makes someone a douche.
No, believing in god makes one delusional, inattentiveness with a three year old child around caged animals, makes her a douche.
Any bets she was texting?
Gotcha. I thought you meant she was a douche for thanking God.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:34 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 3:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 1, 2016 at 2:30 pm)abaris Wrote: There has been another similar incident couple of years back. Look what happened there.
It's a shame Harambe didn't act the same way.  I'm sure gorillas, like humans, have all varying types of personalities.
Interesting difference in this I immediately noticed none of the people started screaming or freaking out. With Harambe, he didn't even notice the boy until the people up top started screaming, and the keepers said all the screaming and hollering is probably what got him agitated.
I just watched another video where a primate behavior specialist says he wasn't acting aggressive, but protective, and the dragging was him trying to keep the child away from the agitated and yelling humans, who it seemed to feel were a threat to the boy. Point being even the experts don't agree. The zoo still had to do what it had to do.
Think it being Brits vs Americans has anything to do with it? I've heard that Americans tend to be MUCH noisier in emergencies than any other group of people. We should try and train ourselves out of that.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:34 pm
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(June 1, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Drich Wrote: That's basic evolution right? survival of the fittest?
I'm not surprised you don't see the irony of all you just said. When the need arises you're just the same chest pounding territorial gorilla, as all your political threads prove. Only less fury. And less nice, going by your child beating endorsment.
(June 1, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Aroura Wrote: Interesting difference in this I immediately noticed none of the people started screaming or freaking out.
That certainly made him agitated. But that's a female. They tend to be more protective, motherly instinct and all. You see the Silveback retreating at the start of that vid, since the girl handled the situation and it was obvious there wasn't any threat to his group.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:35 pm
She would be considered more of a douche for thanking god that did nothing but watch had she not thanked the real people that actually did the saving.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:36 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Aroura Wrote: Think it being Brits vs Americans has anything to do with it? I've heard that Americans tend to be MUCH noisier in emergencies than any other group of people. We should try and train ourselves out of that.
Why be calm and proactive when one can just run around screaming.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:37 pm
(June 1, 2016 at 3:35 pm)IATIA Wrote: She would be considered more of a douche for thanking god that did nothing but watch had she not thanked the real people that actually did the saving.
More of a douche? So she's still a douche for thanking God AND the people?
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:42 pm
(This post was last modified: June 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm by Aroura.)
Plus, this really wasn't a case of a kid getting away from a moments inattention, which totally CAN happen. This kid repeatedly announced, loud enough for multiple witnesses to call it yelling, that he wanted to go in with the gorillas, and then that he WAS going in with the gorillas. If your kid announces they are about to do something dangerous over and over, and they still cannot get your attention, there is a problem with the parent.
Just imagine yourself in the same situation. Maybe your other baby is crying and that is distracting. Your two older kids are arguing, causing you even more distraction. You decide to put your baby back in the stroller, at which point your 4 year old yells he wants to go swimming with the gorillas. You hush him (kinds harshly) and keep strapping in the baby. The 4 year old pulls away from you, and SCREAMS "I'm going in with the Gorillas MOMMY!" (which is word for word what witnesses report he said.)
Chose your own adventure. Do you
a) ignore him 'cause zoos are safe
b) ignore him 'cause your having a bad day, and screw that little brat anyway.
c) tell him gorillas are wild animals, and not stuffed toys
d) pick him up and stuff him in the second seat of your double seated stroller.
e) Literally do anything except keep your back turned for the next 2 minutes until you hear screaming.
Yes, sometimes there are accidents, and sometimes kids get away, ninja, sneaky, etc. This kid was no ninja. He announced repeatedly his intentions to go in there, LOUDLY, pulled away from his mom, and she got frustrated and LET HIM GO, then turned her back on him. This is not an innocent accident or momentary lapse, not by witness accounts.
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RE: Gorilla killed
June 1, 2016 at 3:48 pm
And none of all those witnesses cared to keep a bloody four year old from going into the Gorilla cage? Nice.
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