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For Americans tired of NRA bullying.
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 (June 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:(June 30, 2016 at 2:49 pm)RetiredArmy Wrote: Nice non-answer His response does not prevent you from making insightful and useful comments. That's all on you....
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 (June 30, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:(June 30, 2016 at 2:48 pm)wallym Wrote: Slippery slope is not a make believe idea. It's a real strategy for changing society. As I said earlier to Brian, if you're old enough, you remember the Gay rights movement starting by the community just asking to be viewed as an alternative lifestyle on MTv. Now if you called homosexuality an alternative lifestyle, you'd be labeled a bigot. Maybe I'm mistaken. In a hypothetical future, where we have the gun laws you want in place. A guy goes into a school, and shoots 30 1st graders, are you going to accept that as the status quo? It's a shame, but that's just the reality we live in now?  (June 30, 2016 at 3:04 pm)wallym Wrote:(June 30, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: See? Explain what gun laws I want in place. RE: For Americans tired of NRA bullying.
June 30, 2016 at 3:42 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2016 at 3:42 pm by henryp.)
(June 30, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:(June 30, 2016 at 3:04 pm)wallym Wrote: Maybe I'm mistaken. In a hypothetical future, where we have the gun laws you want in place. A guy goes into a school, and shoots 30 1st graders, are you going to accept that as the status quo? It's a shame, but that's just the reality we live in now? Whatever you want. It doesn't matter. Mentally apply your perfect gun legislation, and then after that's enacted, someone shoots 30 1st graders. But you seem like you're going to be an unwilling participant, so I'll skip the q&a, and get to the point. -- The goal, I would think, and it's a reasonable one, is for people to not be getting killed with guns. As long as there are guns, people are going to be killing people with guns. So, let's get rid of the guns. -- I don't even begrudge the position. It's just common sense. Maybe impractical in terms of implementation, but is that not what you want? Do you want no people being murdered with guns? Or do you want 15% less people being murdered with guns? It's one of the more hilarious parts of the 'pro-safety' movement. It's convinced it's own supporters that they don't want what they should very obviously want. Gun control legislation is compromise. But it still results in people being murdered with guns, which is what you don't want. So why would you stop trying to strengthen it?
I don't plan to follow anyone's stair-stepping, true.
When did I say was not trying to strengthen gun control legislation. Or that I was, for that matter. (June 30, 2016 at 3:44 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I don't plan to follow anyone's stair-stepping, true. You're definitely scoring lots of imaginary points in some game nobody else is playing, and I congratulate you for it. Keep up the good work. (June 30, 2016 at 4:19 pm)wallym Wrote:(June 30, 2016 at 3:44 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I don't plan to follow anyone's stair-stepping, true. You think I care what you think? RE: For Americans tired of NRA bullying.
June 30, 2016 at 4:41 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2016 at 4:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
So, we're not actually presenting any evidence or arguments against the suggestion that all of the problems mentioned in this thread exist - more important to sling some shit and decide for ourselves who resides on what side of an imaginary line?
At this rate, our gun problem ought to be solved this side of never. 
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(June 30, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, we're not actually presenting any evidence or arguments against the suggestion that all of the problems mentioned in this thread exist - more important to sling some shit and decide for ourselves who resides on what side of an imaginary line? We're not going to solve anything here anyway. 
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