Atheist/liberal correlation

[Thumpalumpacus]

But you said - and I quote: Anarcho capitalism. So what is it?

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

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As pointed out above, this completely neglects the role of human nature in social interactions.

[Faith No More]

A few things.  Big business becomes big business with the help of government. Corporatism is not Capitalism

No, big business becomes big business when a business gets, you know, big and wields an inordinate amount of power.  The idea that we the people would somehow be able to control that power through the invisible hand of the market is a pipe dream and not even remotely feasible, and the notion that we'd all be better served by the unfettered pursuit of profits is so ass-backward that it beggars belief.

The argument "if we don't force everyone to play by our rules, everything will go crazy" sounds an awful lot like the arguments religions use.  i.e. "if not for god and the bible to tell you how to be good, everyone will rape and murder"  Just sayin.

As stated before me, you have to take human nature into account.  The reality is that a large chunk of the human population would gladly take everything you own and leave you for dead were it not for the retribution they fear.  Many people lack the empathy needed to self-regulate their behavior, and even with the harsh punishments our laws provide, crime is still abundant.  Believing that everyone will magically treat each other with kindness and respect if we just remove those punishments, especially given that we'd all be so desperate from working for slave wages in this scenario, is probably the most absurd idea of this whole thing.

[Jackalope]

"Voluntary transactions". Right. Absent regulation, the employer-employee relationship is inherently coercive. History is rife with examples.

Frankly it sound like a fucking shitty dystopian system to me.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Big business becomes big business with the help of government.

Not necessarily. Standard Oil, US Steel, Union Pacific, and many other giants rose before market regulation arose in America.

Big business becomes big by providing a quality product or service at a price commensurate with consumer demand, ability to pay, and valuation. Government intervention is not required. Good products at low prices, agile response to the marketplace, and the willingness to take risks are what make a big business big.

[Thumpalumpacus]

But you said - and I quote: Anarcho capitalism. So what is it?

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

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I wonder how that's working in Somalia?

[CapnAwesome]

I have a theory on it, that it descends from the fact that left wing thinkers in the 19th and early 20th century were overwhelmingly Atheist. I don't think there is any sort of natural correlation between the two, but rather ideas came from people who happened to be Atheists. You could hardly be a Marxist without being an Atheist also. However people before Marx who were Christians held many similar ideas in the past.

Actually I think the same thing applies to Libertarians, who tend towards Atheism. Those are connected by a small group of thinkers in the early 20th century, who happened to be Atheists. If Ayn Rand were a Christian, more Libertarians would probably be Christian. I think people underestimate how ideas echo through the centuries.

This is just a little pet theory of mine, not really backed up by much, but sometimes I like to think about it in my spare time.

[CapnAwesome]

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

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I wonder how that's working in Somalia?

I'm not defending anarcho capitalism, but Somalia was equally fucked up when they had a government. Somalia has always been fucked up.

[bennyboy]

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

If I lived in an area with such a non-government, the first thing I would do is form a collective with everyone I could, to ensure that my individual rights would be protected. We would then establish rules about road usage and so on, and charge road users for the forces by which we make the roads safe for them.

Then we'd need a leader, and I would "volunteer" to be the first one. Then we'd make a constitution, since so many people would now be a part of our collective that we'd need clear and fair standards for all. Then I'd dress an orangutan in a suit and make him shout about brown people.

Wait a minute. . .

Obviously, anarchy can never work, because people are social animals, and will instantly make a new government to fill the void.

[CapnAwesome]

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

If I lived in an area with such a non-government, the first thing I would do is form a collective with everyone I could, to ensure that my individual rights would be protected.  We would then establish rules about road usage and so on, and charge road users for the forces by which we make the roads safe for them.

Then we'd need a leader, and I would "volunteer" to be the first one.  Then we'd make a constitution, since so many people would now be a part of our collective that we'd need clear and fair standards for all.  Then I'd dress an orangutan in a suit and make him shout about brown people.

Wait a minute. . .

Obviously, anarchy can never work, because people are social animals, and will instantly make a new government to fill the void.

And you explained in a concise nut shell why anarcho-whatever is all complete nonsense.

[paulpablo]

Stefan molyneux is an anarchist capitalist, or something along those lines.

In his videos I've seen him answer questions of "what about Somalia" and "what about roads" and various other questions.

I don't have unlimited access to the Internet myself at the moment so I don't watch his videos.

I think his response regarding Somalia was that it isn't a place that adopted anarchy as a philosophical solution, it adopted it because the government collapsed and the country was already full of crime and so on.

With regards to people forming their own organisations to take control of roads who have appointed leaders in guessing these would be against the laws in an anarchist capitalist society.

As there would still be laws, and police but without a government above them who can sometimes be above the law.

Not that I don't see flaws in that system but that was the point of view given by Stephen molyneux who I think is the most famous anarchist capitalist I know of.