The "Cultural Context" Excuse

[Huggy Bear]

You'll need to support this with a specific citation, and since I already know that such doesn't exist in the Bible, you'll also need to explain your convoluted thinking in such a manner that doesn't arouse laughter or contempt.

*emphasis mine*
Oh the Irony, you complain about my posting of Bible verses and now all of the sudden you want a Bible verse...
What exactly are you saying doesn't exist in the bible?

You should also link to the posts you claim address this issue. I've searched in vain for a reasonabe expression of your views on this. Big surprise there, huh. You can support your own points, or you cannot, but it's not my job to do your work.

Here you go

From http://atheistforums.org/thread-25362-po...#pid651421

But what happened in Eden was the Serpent (as I said before was not a snake, God changed him into a snake after what he had done.  "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"  Genesis 3:14), who was "human like" had sexual relations with Eve which resulted in Cain (the first murderer) showing that the nature of the wolf entered into the lambs nature through sex which Cain proved by his actions. Sex was never in the plan of God from the beginning, but is now only allowed through the institution of marriage in order to procreate. Now you see why homosexuality is a problem.

This brings up the question of how was man supposed to reproduce? Mankind (plural), which means all of us, was created "in the image of God" (spirit form) in the first chapter of Genesis, Adam (the first man to have a body) was not created till the second chapter.

And Adam as the Bible states was a "son of god", he had the authority to create people (form their bodies) out of the dust just like God did, but lost that power when he fell. which is why Jesus (born of a virgin) who is also referred to as the "second Adam" upon his return will call his people up from the dust as it was supposed to be done in the beginning.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The serpent was human like, so much so that it's seed was able to mix with the human race, which is why God told the serpent that he would put enmity between HIS SEED and the WOMANS SEED. Women don't have "seed" but she was given a seed which was Jesus Christ, who was virgin born.

Cain is not mentioned anywhere in the bible as being Adams son. The Bible is good at recording genealogies and Cain is not included in the genealogy of Adam. The Bible does state however that Cain "was of that wicked one".

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

from http://atheistforums.org/thread-37895-po...pid1095745

God never intended for us to reproduce sexually, or else he would of made Adam and Eve at the same time. Adam was a minor god if you will, he had the power and authority to form people from the dust just like God had done. The mixing of the serpent seed with humans is what brought death. This is why God hates perversion so much. Remember the natural types the spiritual, A hybridized seed is dead (sterile) it cannot reproduce. What do you think the tree of good and evil is? It's a hybrid which brings death. That's why Jesus (also referred to as the second Adam) had to be virgin born, and when he returns, he'll call his people up from the dust (in the ressurection) like it should of been done in the first place.

Jesus Christ, the woman's seed hung on a cross to restore us back to eternal life, therefore he is the tree of life.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Judas who was the son of perdition (Which is hell, in other words he was of the serpents seed) who was an hypocrite (good and evil) also hung on a tree.

Now you see the tree of life and the tree of good and evil being made manifest, and the enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.

from http://atheistforums.org/thread-42879-po...pid1264882

When man was created, he was a theophany. In other words, he was godlike. A god (little g) has no need for sex, Adam was to "procreate" by calling up people from the dust just like he was originally created. Eve's adultery caused the human race to be hybrid and perverted what God had originally intended, bringing forth death.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. - Genesis 3:19

Once man has returned to the dust, it is now up to Jesus Christ (aka the second Adam) to call us back up from the dust in the resurrection like it should have been done in the beginning.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: - 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Now I think you can agree that I need not repeat myself anymore on that topic, correct?

Again, I've been saying this since day one...

It appears someone wasn't paying attention.

Maybe you should merit the attention you seek, Hugs, m'boy. Truth be told, it's not often I give you more than a few hundred neurons worth of processing power ... I'm not in the habit of hunting houseflies with sledgehammers, ya dig?

If you want serious regard, earn it.

See above.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yeah, none of that tells us that the Serpent fucked Eve. You'll need to actually throw down the words.

Also, citing yourself as a source for your own claims is laughably amateurish, entirely unconvincing, and causes me to fight my lesser nature, because after so doing you only deserve mockery, and lord knows that's a talent of mine. Do you really want to wander into the shooting range here?

I'd suggest you think more and post less ... but I don't know that you're capable of either.

[Edwardo Piet]

Wait... Eve had sex with the... ahem... serpent?

I did not! Just because they're a reptile does not mean I'm interested!

Besides I'm Hammy now!

Oh Eve.

[robvalue]

What the actual fuck? Eve has sex win the serpent?

Erm, no. It doesn't say that. It doesn't even imply it. This is fan fic.

[Excited Penguin]

What the actual fuck? Eve has sex win the serpent?

Erm, no. It doesn't say that. It doesn't even imply it. This is fan fic.

Technically, it's all fan fic, just saying.

[robvalue]

Sure, yes it is. The idea of fan fic about fan fic is pretty hilarious.

[robvalue]

I've tried really hard to empathise with theists. I feel I've had some success during my time on this forum.

But I still can't get anywhere near understanding the mindset of a literalist. Someone who thinks the stories in the bible all happened as they are written, because they are in the bible. I don't know how someone can truly believe that without their brain exploding. It makes me wonder how much of it is professed belief, and how much is actual belief. From my point of view, I really can't tell the difference.

[LadyForCamus]

If God meant for Adam to "call people up from the dust" then why on earth would he give him both male AND female sex organs? Why would he have given him sex organs at all?! That makes absolutely NO SENSE. Is God a hermaphrodite, then??

[LadyForCamus]

Provide the book, chapter and verse.

Numbers 5:11-31

Thanks, NV. Gonna quote this just in case Huggy missed it, since he hasn't addressed it yet. Ya know, since he's so busy knocking all those other balls out of the park, lol.

[LadyForCamus]

Wait... Eve had sex with the... ahem... serpent?

Would you belief that that's a claim with a long enough history that even Christians as far back as the second century AD have actually explicitly named it as heresy? It's called the Serpent Seed doctrine, and claims that Cain was the offspring of Eve and the Serpent. It's an interesting image, but it doesn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny.

And, with regards to Huggy's requests for Bible verses related to abortion, here are a few:

• Ex. 21:22-3. " If men contend with each other, and a pregnant woman [interfering] is hurt so that she has a miscarriage, yet no further damage follows, [the one who hurt her] shall surely be punished with a fine [paid] to the woman’s husband, as much as the judges determine. But if any damage follows, then you shall give life for life." Barely a chapter after the Ten commandments, and it's clear God doesn't consider the killing of a fetus the same as murder.
  
• Num. 3:15-6: "Number the sons of Levi by their fathers’ houses and by families. Every male from a month old and upward you shall number. So Moses numbered them as he was commanded by the word of the Lord." Even infants who haven't been ex utero for over a month do not matter enough even for the purposes of a census.
  
• Num. 5:21-8: "Then the priest shall make the woman take the oath of the curse, and say to the woman, The Lord make you a curse and an oath among your people when the Lord makes your thigh fall away and your body swell.May this water that brings the curse go into your bowels and make your body swell and your thigh fall away. And the woman shall say, So let it be, so let it be.The priest shall then write these curses in a book and shall wash them off into the water of bitterness;And he shall cause the woman to drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter into her [to try her] bitterly. Then the priest shall take the cereal offering of jealousy and suspicion out of the woman’s hand and shall wave the offering before the Lord and offer it upon the altar.And the priest shall take a handful of the cereal offering as the memorial portion of it and burn it on the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.And when he has made her drink the water, then if she is defiled and has committed a trespass against her husband, the curse water which she drank shall be bitterness and cause her body to swell and her thigh to fall away, and the woman shall be a curse among her people. But if the woman is not defiled and is clean, then she shall be free [from the curse] and be able to have children." God is willing to perform abortions himself, and on unwilling women.
  

And this isn't counting the numerous verses explicitly stating pregnant women are acceptable collateral damage for wars or executions (e.g. Gen. 38:24, Num. 31:15-7, Hos. 9:14-6, 13:16)

And this is one of the fundamental problems with the Christian philosophy. The bible is supposed to be a perfect, unchanging account of god's word, and yet Christians themselves can't agree on what it's saying.