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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 12:34 pm
(September 14, 2016 at 10:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 14, 2016 at 10:09 am)Losty Wrote: If you're in a building of worship? Do you think both women should be treated equally even though one is disrespecting the religious values of a place people may consider to be sacred?
What if you're in a stuck elevator and your police scanner announces that there may be an armed suspected murderer stuck in the elevator?
What if youre at a nude water park?
What if you the naked lady is brushing her boobs against you every time she walks by?
What if the burka lady is doing the funky chicken?
We treat people differently for different reasons all the time. The question in the OP is poorly worded at best.
I get what you're saying, but I don't believe the spirit of the question was meant to be so technical like that. (Obviously, being naked in public, for example, is illegal, so someone walking around naked would get arrested while someone wearing a burka would not, and etc etc.)
I think the question was meant to be about whether or not a woman's value, or how much we respect her, how well we see her as a person, etc, would change in our eyes based on how much she is showing her body. To that, I answered no. But I suppose the OP should jump in here and clarify exactly where the spirit of the question was at.
I know. I think I've become cynical on this forum. I get a 1 sentence op with an ambiguous question and I think...I don't fucking trust this guy. Lol. Oh well. I agree with you too by the way
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 12:34 pm
Yes. People use clothing (or lack thereof) in part to express how they wish to be treated. And, in some cases, certain clothing is expected in the situation, and if a person does not meet those expectations, they will be treated differently. For example, I wouldn't think anything of a burka at a funeral, but if someone showed up to a funeral naked I'd tell them to get out - or perhaps treat them as if they're mentally ill.
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Oh my gawd! It is the second coming of a sparsely seen theist-person to this thread. Hope we don't all get raptured now.
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 1:38 pm
(September 14, 2016 at 12:34 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yes. People use clothing (or lack thereof) in part to express how they wish to be treated. And, in some cases, certain clothing is expected in the situation, and if a person does not meet those expectations, they will be treated differently. For example, I wouldn't think anything of a burka at a funeral, but if someone showed up to a funeral naked I'd tell them to get out - or perhaps treat them as if they're mentally ill.
But what if while 'showing her out' she rubbed you up with her hooters? Kind of puts a different spin on it, huh?
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 1:49 pm
(September 14, 2016 at 12:34 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yes. People use clothing (or lack thereof) in part to express how they wish to be treated. And, in some cases, certain clothing is expected in the situation, and if a person does not meet those expectations, they will be treated differently. For example, I wouldn't think anything of a burka at a funeral, but if someone showed up to a funeral naked I'd tell them to get out - or perhaps treat them as if they're mentally ill.
I agree, any person who shows up naked to a public place should be reprimanded, regardless of whether they are male or female. This is obvious. But as I said, I don't believe the spirit of the question was meant in this way. Notice how the OP specifically said "women" instead of just "person". He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure he is referring to our culture's objectification of women and their bodies.
Basically, if a woman is more provocatively dressed or showing more skin, does that make you treat/perceive her with less respect as a person worthy of human dignity?
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 1:51 pm
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It's a sad comment upon one aspect of our society that the question of respect/judgment/value with regard to how much skin is showing is only applied to females. I was shown a "sexual harassment" video at work yesterday that spent quite some time advising female employees to dress modestly. The implication was that tight clothes or a too-short skirt created an environment where they actually invited sexual harassment. Nothing at all was said about male dress.
-- To equalize the outrage, this out-dated video also strongly implied that all harassers are male. I happen to KNOW this isn't the case.
Our society, though, tends to keep the males covered, and show as much female skin as possible. I played a wedding recently where the bridesmaid dresses looked like skimpy little shiny bath towels - bare shoulders, bare backs, bare arms, bare legs. The men, of course, were in full tuxes. The singer and I were drawing up skimpy little togas for the guys to wear, to equalize the situation. What the women were wearing implied access. What the men were wearing implied power. If you don't think that's not a message being sent, you haven't been paying attention.
This is something that could use more discussion, as a society.
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 1:51 pm
Still...it depends on where you live. Surely there are places where social nudity is not ill regarded and I know there are places where burqas are not allowed or even illegal.
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 2:51 pm
Exactly. The deceased might even have been a naturalist and the nude person the only one present truly honoring their wishes.
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 3:44 pm
(September 14, 2016 at 1:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree, any person who shows up naked to a public place should be reprimanded, regardless of whether they are male or female. This is obvious. But as I said, I don't believe the spirit of the question was meant in this way. Notice how the OP specifically said "women" instead of just "person". He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure he is referring to our culture's objectification of women and their bodies. I disagree. The fact that he broke the responses into theist and atheist makes me suspect he was going for a gotcha moment. That suspicion is reinforced by all the no answers. Most people are answering the way they think they should, rather than being honest (I only skimmed the thread but IIRC Losty was an exception). The fact is that we treat people - male and female - differently based on how they're dressed all the time. The last two days I had client meetings and I wore a tie. Today no client meetings, so I'm just wearing a polo shirt. This isn't rocket surgery, and it's not a theist/atheist thing. Clothes matter. It's pretty simple. Everyone knows it.
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RE: Should a woman be treated differently if...
September 14, 2016 at 3:46 pm
(September 14, 2016 at 3:44 pm)alpha male Wrote: (September 14, 2016 at 1:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree, any person who shows up naked to a public place should be reprimanded, regardless of whether they are male or female. This is obvious. But as I said, I don't believe the spirit of the question was meant in this way. Notice how the OP specifically said "women" instead of just "person". He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure he is referring to our culture's objectification of women and their bodies. I disagree. The fact that he broke the responses into theist and atheist makes me suspect he was going for a gotcha moment. That suspicion is reinforced by all the no answers. Most people are answering the way they think they should, rather than being honest (I only skimmed the thread but IIRC Losty was an exception). The fact is that we treat people - male and female - differently based on how they're dressed all the time. The last two days I had client meetings and I wore a tie. Today no client meetings, so I'm just wearing a polo shirt. This isn't rocket surgery, and it's not a theist/atheist thing. Clothes matter. It's pretty simple. Everyone knows it.
Ok. Just out of curiosity though, since this is what I believe the OP was trying to ask, how would you answer this question: I f a woman is more provocatively dressed or showing more skin, does that make you treat/perceive her with less respect as a person worthy of human dignity?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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