Wanna have the physics, North Carolina? Better respect trans people...

[Excited Penguin]

How about you and the rest of the assholes who get their morality out of a 2000 year old book just grow the fuck up?!?

It sounds like he is now. Actually, I'm impressed that someone on that side of the fence was willing to see things differently. Thank you, Lek. You're restoring my "faith" in people, so to speak.

No, he isn't. That idea is stupid. Like TGB said, people should grow the fuck up. The public space is not there to oblige anyone in particular, but everyone in society as a whole, and that includes transgender people as well.

[rexbeccarox]

It sounds like he is now. Actually, I'm impressed that someone on that side of the fence was willing to see things differently. Thank you, Lek. You're restoring my "faith" in people, so to speak.

Nope. He wants the "others" to pony up for separate bathrooms for him and other bigots like him.

It sounds like he is now. Actually, I'm impressed that someone on that side of the fence was willing to see things differently. Thank you, Lek. You're restoring my "faith" in people, so to speak.

No, he isn't. That idea is stupid. Like TGB said, people should grow the fuck up. The public space is not there to oblige anyone in particular, but everyone in society as a whole, and that includes transgender people as well.

I think you guys must have missed this:

Lek just wants to complicate things. How about we just do what we've always done before? It's free, simple, and nobody in their right mind really cares.

You know, I think I actually agree with you. I wish the whole mess would never have come up. Sometimes it's a matter of minding our manners and our own business and live and let live. We do tend to over complicate things don't we?

Lek, I think you're a really big person for thinking about it, stepping up, admitting you were wrong, and changing your mind. It really rocks. A million kudos.

[Excited Penguin]

Nope. He wants the "others" to pony up for separate bathrooms for him and other bigots like him.

No, he isn't. That idea is stupid. Like TGB said, people should grow the fuck up. The public space is not there to oblige anyone in particular, but everyone in society as a whole, and that includes transgender people as well.

I think you guys must have missed this:

You know, I think I actually agree with you.  I wish the whole mess would never have come up.  Sometimes it's a matter of minding our manners and our own business and live and let live.  We do tend to over complicate things don't we?

Lek, I think you're a really big person for thinking about it, stepping up, admitting you were wrong, and changing your mind. It really rocks. A million kudos.

I did miss that one. That doesn't change what he said in that other post.

[rexbeccarox]

I think you guys must have missed this:


Lek, I think you're a really big person for thinking about it, stepping up, admitting you were wrong, and changing your mind. It really rocks. A million kudos.

I did miss that one. That doesn't change what he said in that other post.

Sure it doesn't change what he said, but it seems he's changed his mind, so it doesn't really matter anymore that he said that.

[Jesster]

It sounds like he is now. Actually, I'm impressed that someone on that side of the fence was willing to see things differently. Thank you, Lek. You're restoring my "faith" in people, so to speak.

Nope. He wants the "others" to pony up for separate bathrooms for him and other bigots like him.

It sounds like he is now. Actually, I'm impressed that someone on that side of the fence was willing to see things differently. Thank you, Lek. You're restoring my "faith" in people, so to speak.

No, he isn't. That idea is stupid. Like TGB said, people should grow the fuck up. The public space is not there to oblige anyone in particular, but everyone in society as a whole, and that includes transgender people as well.

I was referring to Lek's other post.

[Ravenshire]

I think you guys must have missed this:

Didn't miss it. Let's just say I doubt his sincerity.

[Jesster]

I think you guys must have missed this:

Didn't miss it. Let's just say I doubt his sincerity.

If he's not sincere, I'm sure he'll let us know somehow. For now, I'll respond to what he actually posted.

[I_am_not_mafia]

OK.  I'm changing my view on a third restroom from "gender neutral" to "unisex".  Sex is the defining factor in the bathroom issue.

Define sex.

You cannot partition the human population into two sexes.

[I_am_not_mafia]

 Transgenders should do the same toward those who are different than them also.  The fix isn't isn't allowing transgenders to use the bathroom of their choice, but in creating a situation in which they accepted in society as much as anyone else.  

You're not going to create a society where they are accepted as much as anyone else if you force them to use the wrong restrooms. You're only going to ostracise them.

You may disagree with this but that's because you do not understand the subject.

[I_am_not_mafia]

How about we allow transgenders to use restrooms and locker rooms of their claimed gender and have separate facilities for those who are bothered by it?

You mean like using the disabled toilets? So basically the same situation as already exists in the rest of the world and before the right wing Christians found out that transgendered people exist. No one uses the other toilets (or restrooms as you Americans call them) to avoid transgendered people. Using the disabled toilets can be good for transgendered people when they have just started transitioning. They may not feel comfortable enough using the toilets of their claimed gender, but do not feel safe in using the other toilets either.

You do realise that America is not the entire world don't you? Here in Europe there hasn't been any scaremongering of transgenders and there hasn't been any problems. There weren't any problems before all the scaremongering started in America either. So why should there suddenly be a concern about rapists when both history and the rest of the world has demonstrated that this has nothing to do with transgendered people?