Supernatural Evidence?

[The Grand Nudger]

You have a problem identifying the things you want even when you get them.  That's understandable, since you keep talking about reasons and rationality, throwing out terms associated to both, without understanding any of them.

This is super simple.  There is no such thing as "supernatural evidence" or what you almost certainly believe to be it's competitor, "natural evidence".  There is only evidence.  That which is evident.  If a person is open to evidence, by default, they'd be open to evidence that happened to refer to the supernatural, whatever that means, however you could determine it, whatever it is.  

Never gets any farther than that, though, does it?  Does it matter whether or not a person is open to something you do not possess?  I mean, ofc, does it matter for anything other than the common christer attempt at summary dismissal of anyone who doesn't believe what they believe about magic book?

Go ahead, tell me more about the crystal ball you keep on your shelf. Sounds like a super rational subject. Can it locate my car keys?

[Arkilogue]

"You do know that the Muslims do the exact same thing with the Koran, right? Just google "scientific discoveries koran" or something similar. And their examples of the same thing you are doing are just as 'impressive', meaning, not at all."

Yeah, they where a stretch though, by alot. Nowhere near as clear as what the bible reveals. Also, the Koran says the bible is the inspired word of god. So if the koran was true,
That would make the bible true, and because the bible ia true, all other additions to scripture are false. Alot of you guys who like to write them all off as the same thing, realy don't understand the difference in relevence, historicity, revelation, prophecy, etc. But i expect as much.

You know i havn't been running around here arguing with everybody thinking i'd 'win some souls to the Lord', i fully expected some general dissmisal of what i have to say.

Now what i was and still am hoping for, are good reasons why all of my reasons are not justified. All i keep hearing is disbelief

Nothing for nothing but Daniel says that certain things are sealed up until the end, therefor are not in the bible.

Dan 12:9 "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

[Angrboda]

Job also says,

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
“On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

“Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
When I made a cloud its garment
And thick darkness its swaddling band,
And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,
And I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther;
And here shall your proud waves stop’?

Where is this cornerstone? Where are these doors? Why is Job only accurate in certain places? Is this not the sign of modern eyes reinterpreting the old?

Freshwater submarine springs occur all over the world. from New York to California, from Bahrain to Barbados. Water pushing to the surface of the sea shows the boil of the spring and can be spotted easily when the tides are low.

As the article states, these springs arise when fresh water is transported in rocky conduits out into the ocean. No divine wisdom necessary here - just the ordinary observational skills of a typical scientifically-ignorant Bronze Age sea captain.

http://home.nctv.com/jackjan/item65.htm

How do you know that the springs of the sea is not referring to this mundane phenomena?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Nothing for nothing but Daniel says that certain things are sealed up until the end, therefor are not in the bible.

Dan 12:9 "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

How charmingly ad hoc.

Boru

[Whateverist]

"You do know that the Muslims do the exact same thing with the Koran, right? Just google "scientific discoveries koran" or something similar. And their examples of the same thing you are doing are just as 'impressive', meaning, not at all."

Yeah, they where a stretch though, by alot. Nowhere near as clear as what the bible reveals. Also, the Koran says the bible is the inspired word of god. So if the koran was true,
That would make the bible true, and because the bible ia true, all other additions to scripture are false. Alot of you guys who like to write them all off as the same thing, realy don't understand the difference in relevence, historicity, revelation, prophecy, etc. But i expect as much.

You know i havn't been running around here arguing with everybody thinking i'd 'win some souls to the Lord', i fully expected some general dissmisal of what i have to say.

Now what i was and still am hoping for, are good reasons why all of my reasons are not justified. All i keep hearing is disbelief

Well you know God was probably pretty tired by the time Mohammed came along and maybe he thought just adding a few pages in a new volume was easier than a complete re-write?

[Arkilogue]

Nothing for nothing but Daniel says that certain things are sealed up until the end, therefor are not in the bible.

Dan 12:9 "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

How charmingly ad hoc.

Boru

Whatever dude, some believers think the bible is the "complete and total word of God", bible says it's not.

[Simon Moon]

"You do know that the Muslims do the exact same thing with the Koran, right? Just google "scientific discoveries koran" or something similar. And their examples of the same thing you are doing are just as 'impressive', meaning, not at all."

Yeah, they where a stretch though, by alot. Nowhere near as clear as what the bible reveals.

Absolutely false.

Coming from someone that is completely outside both, Christian and Muslim, belief systems, your examples are no less stretching than the Koran versions.

You are just special pleading. Just one among several fallacies you are guilty of.

Also, the Koran says the bible is the inspired word of god. So if the koran was true,
That would make the bible true, and because the bible ia true, all other additions to scripture are false. Alot of you guys who like to write them all off as the same thing, realy don't understand the difference in relevence, historicity, revelation, prophecy, etc. But i expect as much.

Non sequitur. Another one of those pesky fallacies.

None of that is important to the claim both, Muslims and Christians make, about their texts containing scientific discoveries their cultures could have known about without the input from a god

You know i havn't been running around here arguing with everybody thinking i'd 'win some souls to the Lord', i fully expected some general dissmisal of what i have to say.

Offer bad evidence, expect dismissal of your unsupported assertions. That's the way it works when you are talking to people who care if their beliefs are true or not.

Here's a little pro tip: the Bible is not evidence, it IS the claim.

Now what i was and still am hoping for, are good reasons why all of my reasons are not justified. All i keep hearing is disbelief

Another failure of logic 101.

You are the one making the claim, you are the one that has the burden of proof. It's not our fault you continue to offer bad evidence.

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[brewer]

Job also says,

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
“On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

“Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
When I made a cloud its garment
And thick darkness its swaddling band,
And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,
And I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther;
And here shall your proud waves stop’?

Where is this cornerstone?  Where are these doors?  Why is Job only accurate in certain places?  Is this not the sign of modern eyes reinterpreting the old?

Well, you understand that the bible wasn't written down for a long while and then translated so many times that only certain parts remain the "true word" of god. That's why they have to pick and choose and take sections out of context. Only a true believer can discern the difference.

[Jehanne]

Yes, absolutely.  Let "god" heal a 1,000 adult amputees of his/her/its own choosing and I will renounce my atheism publicly, right on this board!

One growing back a limb would suffice. To prove the supernatural that is. Not to prove god. The one and only god you claim to be the one and only. Which is but one out of many. So not even if we were to give you the supernatural and it being a god's work, does it prove to be your scripted christian god of your denomination. Since even christians don't agree on one definition.

I'm an atheist, but if some amputee did have a completely restored limb, I would at least become a theist.

[Whateverist]

But the upside is they can pretty much cherry pick the parts inter-changably to make any point they like. Versatile.