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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 4:42 am
The latter 2 are because you an anarchist. What I mean when I say "minimal counter swing" is that society seems to be very reactive and when society makes a big change its response is usually just as strongly incorrect to opposite direction (prohibition being a perfect example).
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 6:33 am
Funny that there WASN'T a drug problem until they became illegal.
Remembering that hemp was the second biggest commodity in the world after cotton up til the 1920's.
When it was prohibited in the U.S( Edgar.J,Hoovers brother was a cotton farmer BTW)
But a product is always worth more when it's only available on the black market.
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 8:13 am
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(June 3, 2011 at 2:56 am)tackattack Wrote: But how do you go from criminalization to decriminalization with minimal counter swing?
Cold turkey, like Portugal did. And it's working.
Quote:The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.
"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 8:20 am
(June 3, 2011 at 2:56 am)tackattack Wrote: But how do you go from criminalization to decriminalization with minimal counter swing? While the initial impact of decriminalization might cause a slight upswing in drug use, it would taper off quickly as people got used to it. Regardless of the size of the upswing, however, it is a necessary step to get us in control of the drug problem.
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 9:51 am
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(June 2, 2011 at 11:20 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: (June 2, 2011 at 10:42 pm)Ashendant Wrote: Do it like my country did
Economic advise from portugal? 
We are far more effective at dealing with drugs than Americans, we have gone from drugport to drugnot
Besides we were forced to this stupid debt thing
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 10:10 am
Portugal really is ahead of everyone else when it comes to dealing with drugs.
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Tacky Wrote:The latter 2 are because you an anarchist
Ohhhh... I kind of get it now. 'Criminalizing' something is to make laws that prohibit it, and 'decriminalizing' something is to repeal laws that prohibit it? Maybe? Sort of? <Is refraining from mocking the idea of prohibition via law, look at her self control!>
Ashendant Wrote:We are far more effective at dealing with drugs than Americans, we have gone from drugport to drugnot
Besides we were forced to this stupid debt thing
The american drug dealers seem to be at least of decent effectiveness. And I'm just ribbing you about the debt thing 
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 5:46 pm
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LOL..Libertarians and their "Market forces" keyword... as if politics have nothing to do with the market. As if we can keep politics out of the market.
A libertarian world would be a nightmare world.
(June 3, 2011 at 2:56 am)tackattack Wrote: But how do you go from criminalization to decriminalization with minimal counter swing?
You do not do it instantly. You do it in gradual steps. First legalise the drugs that religions use..like Peyote for the natives. Then Marijuana, and so on. Do it slow and gradual.
The only problem is that big pharma and insurance will NEVER, EVER allow drugs to be legalised. Do you have any idea on how much big pharma makes off of pre-employment drug screening alone? 30 to 60 bucks a pop. Everytime I go in for one there is a constant line of 10 to 20 people waiting to take one.
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RE: We should listen to this
June 3, 2011 at 6:55 pm
(June 3, 2011 at 4:07 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Tacky Wrote:The latter 2 are because you an anarchist
Ohhhh... I kind of get it now. 'Criminalizing' something is to make laws that prohibit it, and 'decriminalizing' something is to repeal laws that prohibit it? Maybe? Sort of? <Is refraining from mocking the idea of prohibition via law, look at her self control!>
Ashendant Wrote:We are far more effective at dealing with drugs than Americans, we have gone from drugport to drugnot
Besides we were forced to this stupid debt thing
The american drug dealers seem to be at least of decent effectiveness. And I'm just ribbing you about the debt thing
Nah, it's just that our laws that ignore the consumer, and hit the dealers directly
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RE: We should listen to this
June 4, 2011 at 12:18 am
(June 3, 2011 at 6:55 pm)Ashendant Wrote: (June 3, 2011 at 4:07 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Tacky Wrote:The latter 2 are because you an anarchist
Ohhhh... I kind of get it now. 'Criminalizing' something is to make laws that prohibit it, and 'decriminalizing' something is to repeal laws that prohibit it? Maybe? Sort of? <Is refraining from mocking the idea of prohibition via law, look at her self control!>
Ashendant Wrote:We are far more effective at dealing with drugs than Americans, we have gone from drugport to drugnot
Besides we were forced to this stupid debt thing
The american drug dealers seem to be at least of decent effectiveness. And I'm just ribbing you about the debt thing
Nah, it's just that our laws that ignore the consumer, and hit the dealers directly
I wish we had at least your set up here in the U.K....I favor full leagalisation of all substances but at least what Portugal has is a great first step.
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