Posts: 46145
Threads: 539
Joined: July 24, 2013
Reputation:
109
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 5:06 am
Quote:Whatever is rational utilizes either the senses, the intellect or both.
With you so far.
Quote:Atheism cannot deny God by using senses. For, to deny something by the use of senses is to search the whole physical reality, just as ruling out that there's no alien is to search all that is searchable which is impossible for us humans.
Rubbish. I deny that the core of the of the sun is made of chocolate custard. Why? Because it doesn't fit with supported theories and observed facts regarding the sun. There is no need to me to visit the sun in situ to defend my denial. Similarly, I don't need to search every little crook and nanny of the multiverse to maintain a sensible denial of God.
Quote:But God, by demonstration of His effects, shows that He is beyond physical reality. Hence, it is the more that God can't be denied by the senses.
Sorry, but you aren't allowed to prove God by way of pointing out that other things exist. The things you refer to as 'His effects' may have other explanations.
Quote:Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.
Ok, if I read this right (no warranties expressed or implied, as it's very close to gibberish), you're telling me that I can't deny God intellectually because God can't be defined. You then not only go on to define God as boundless, you make the unjustified claim that definition-less entities are to be accepted.
Quote:Therefore, if to be rational is able to use senses and our intellect, and that God can't be denied both by the senses and intellect, then atheism is necessarily irrational.
I only took two logic classes when I was at uni (back in the Bronze Age) but the upshot of both of them seemed to be, 'If your premises are bullshit, your conclusions with be bullshit.' Thank you for demonstrating the Bovine Excreta Principle.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Posts: 5664
Threads: 219
Joined: June 20, 2016
Reputation:
61
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 6:22 am
(November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm)theologian Wrote: Whatever is rational utilizes either the senses, the intellect or both.
Atheism cannot deny God by using senses. For, to deny something by the use of senses is to search the whole physical reality, just as ruling out that there's no alien is to search all that is searchable which is impossible for us humans. But God, by demonstration of His effects, shows that He is beyond physical reality. Hence, it is the more that God can't be denied by the senses.
Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.
Therefore, if to be rational is able to use senses and our intellect, and that God can't be denied both by the senses and intellect, then atheism is necessarily irrational. So , theism is rational because you use your senses?
All five major senses?
What does god smell like?
What does god taste like? Umami?
When you "feel" its presence do you feel tactile pressure on your skin? Does it tickle?
Do you hear a voice in the room with you? Not just the one in your head?
Do you see god? Do you see only its backside?
What about thermoception, kinesthetic sense , pain , balance ?
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
Posts: 23085
Threads: 26
Joined: February 2, 2010
Reputation:
106
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 6:35 am
Pretty sure gods smell like Fromunda cheese.
Posts: 5664
Threads: 219
Joined: June 20, 2016
Reputation:
61
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 6:39 am
(November 21, 2016 at 6:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Pretty sure gods smell like Fromunda cheese.
So sayeth St. Spicoli , patron saint of pizza delivery!
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
Posts: 13051
Threads: 66
Joined: February 7, 2011
Reputation:
92
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 7:17 am
(November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm)theologian Wrote: Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.
Well, that's a new one. "I can't even define what God is, so it's irrational for you to deny that I've met the burden of proof." Makes total sense.
And nice job claiming God cannot be defined and then defining God as boundless. Didn't really think this through, did you?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Posts: 28327
Threads: 524
Joined: June 16, 2015
Reputation:
90
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 7:41 am
(This post was last modified: November 21, 2016 at 4:54 pm by brewer.)
OP, lets see.
We can't find or sense god and/or we can't define god, therefore god. Doesn't this work for any fantasy delusion?
Tell you what. Have god should up at my house (it should know where all the heathens live) and present itself as a talking burning bush. It's done this before so it should not be a problem (assuming you're a bible guy). When this happens I'll consider god.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
Posts: 6946
Threads: 26
Joined: April 28, 2012
Reputation:
83
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 7:45 am
The OP claims God can't be defined while trying to define him into existence.
God bothers don't come off too well if what's required for belief is the removal of senses and intellect from the human experience.
Posts: 19881
Threads: 324
Joined: July 31, 2016
Reputation:
34
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 9:16 am
(November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm)theologian Wrote: Whatever is rational utilizes either the senses, the intellect or both.
Atheism cannot deny God by using senses. For, to deny something by the use of senses is to search the whole physical reality, just as ruling out that there's no alien is to search all that is searchable which is impossible for us humans. But God, by demonstration of His effects, shows that He is beyond physical reality. Hence, it is the more that God can't be denied by the senses.
Atheism cannot deny God by the intellect. For, whatever we can deny by the use of our intellect, must be defined, just as we deny circle things as square, for the definition of circle is different from the definition of square. But, God can't be define, because if He has definition, He can't be God, because by demonstration of His existence through His effects, He is necessarily Boundless. Hence, God can't be denied by the intellect.
Therefore, if to be rational is able to use senses and our intellect, and that God can't be denied both by the senses and intellect, then atheism is necessarily irrational. Just prove any god or gods exist, by means other than bald assertions.
Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 10:17 am
Then tell us why we should care, and do better than "because you're a man".
Posts: 310
Threads: 18
Joined: February 12, 2011
Reputation:
5
RE: Atheism is irrational.
November 21, 2016 at 10:19 am
The absence of a belief in of any sort of deity works when using the lack of observable evidence as well as using known scientific facts that contradict the "evidence" brought forth from a theists assertions of such deity.
|