Schindler's List and the mind of Drumpf

[Excited Penguin]

The way I see it is that Trump has dug a very deep hole for himself.  He made a lot of promises to bring about a neo-fascist state that his racist supporters are hoping to see, where Mexicans, Muslims, and perhaps even Jews are kicked out of the country, gay people are forced back into the closet, and build a huge freaking wall along our southern border.  So the way I see it is that he either ignores all those racist campaign promises (not like he can legally do all that anyway and the wall would ruin the economy) and face the wrath of the people who voted for him, or he tries to push through this agenda and faces the wrath of everyone else who doesn't want to see a fascist, pseudo-Nazi regime rule the country.

Of course, when he fails to bring back factory jobs he's not going to be real popular with his supporters anyway.

To be fair, I don't think he ever "made any promises" to kick all Mexicans, Muslims, and Jews out of the country. Neither did he say anything about gay people having to go back in the closet.

I think if we want Trump supporters to take us seriously we have to at least be honest and accurate.

That is always a worthy goal to have , CL.

[Faith No More]

Stop being stupid and trying to marginalize this issue as if I am the only one concerned. I AM NOT a "warrior". Sounding an alarm is not an over reaction or pretending to be something I am not.

He has a very real past the way he was raised that has shaped the way he thinks. He is a sociopath, and not just a sociopath, but one who was raised with a father that DID NOT teach him empathy for others outside his own family. He has taken that abusive mentality and applied it to business and now politics.

Your ignorant marginalizing me as if I was the only one reacting is not only stupid, but dangerous. If you cannot see fit to understand you are not just marginalizing what I went through, you are also marginalizing what our LGBT friends have gone through and other minorities like Hispanics and blacks and Muslim refugees.

NO I am NOT a warrior. Trump is the asshole who thinks Jerry Springer is good politics and thinks everyone wants to be him and that somehow he is John Wayne.

Marginalizing you is dangerous?

For the record, I was not marginalizing you. I was teasing you, because you clearly see yourself as some sort of leader-like, justice warrior come to save us all. And you do it on an atheist forum for god's sake. It's tiring reading your rants that start by stating the obvious and then go hopping around from one irrelevant point to another, all in some ill-conceived plan to get the word out. I've failed even to tell what you think you're going to get out of posting like this as often as you do.

[Doubting Thomas]

The way I see it is that Trump has dug a very deep hole for himself.  He made a lot of promises to bring about a neo-fascist state that his racist supporters are hoping to see, where Mexicans, Muslims, and perhaps even Jews are kicked out of the country, gay people are forced back into the closet, and build a huge freaking wall along our southern border.  So the way I see it is that he either ignores all those racist campaign promises (not like he can legally do all that anyway and the wall would ruin the economy) and face the wrath of the people who voted for him, or he tries to push through this agenda and faces the wrath of everyone else who doesn't want to see a fascist, pseudo-Nazi regime rule the country.

Of course, when he fails to bring back factory jobs he's not going to be real popular with his supporters anyway.

To be fair, I don't think he ever "made any promises" to kick all Mexicans, Muslims, and Jews out of the country. Neither did he say anything about gay people having to go back in the closet.

I think if we want Trump supporters to take us seriously we have to at least be honest and accurate.

He did make a promise to round up every illegal alien in the country and ship them back to Mexico, as well as ban all Muslims from entering the country, so it's not far off.  But I'm talking about what the average, racist Trump voter wanted to hear, like the guy at the Trump rally who asked him "When can we get rid of them (Muslims)?" and Trump didn't say he wasn't going to get rid of all Muslims, but said that he would have people looking into that.  My own crazy & conservative mother-in-law this past weekend was talking about how Trump is going to get rid of all the Muslims.  So while Trump may not have overtly promised to do such things, the dog-whistle racism he spewed made it sound like he was going to target minority groups, and with the raging homophobe Mike Pence as his veep and his promises to overturn gay marriage, it's obvious that things are going to be very rough for LGBT's over the next four years. He may not have actually promised to get rid of minority groups, but many of his supporters are expecting him to, if the recent outbreak of pro-Trump harassment of minorities is any indication.

[Brian37]

The way I see it is that Trump has dug a very deep hole for himself.  He made a lot of promises to bring about a neo-fascist state that his racist supporters are hoping to see, where Mexicans, Muslims, and perhaps even Jews are kicked out of the country, gay people are forced back into the closet, and build a huge freaking wall along our southern border.  So the way I see it is that he either ignores all those racist campaign promises (not like he can legally do all that anyway and the wall would ruin the economy) and face the wrath of the people who voted for him, or he tries to push through this agenda and faces the wrath of everyone else who doesn't want to see a fascist, pseudo-Nazi regime rule the country.

Of course, when he fails to bring back factory jobs he's not going to be real popular with his supporters anyway.

This will not change unless more people get wise to the 36 year scam corporate America has been pulling on society "You better look out for that anti private sector religion hating gay atheist secret Muslim black guy

[Opoponax]

I genuinely fear an army of Trump informant types or direct retribution from the federal agencies he's in charge of. Trump's strong aversion to free speech and expression is frightening in and of itself, but it becomes more disturbing when one understands that a POTUS has enormous federal police agencies under his control. The head of the FBI is appointed by the President. The Director of the CIA is nominated by the President as is the head of the ATF, and the attorney general. In turn, those people make appointments, and for the most part, they don't have to answer for them. And let's not forget the Secretary of Defense either.

Given those facts, it is quite possible for a coordinated plan to harass, intimidate, and arrest Trump's critics to be put into place. It wouldn't take much. Imagine for example, a news anchor sitting at home on a Sunday morning when a knock comes at her door. She opens it to find several men in tactical gear or dark suits. One of them says, "You need to come with us."

Treason is the highest crime known to law. “Treason” consists of two elements: Adherence to the enemy, and rendering him aid and comfort, so that a citizen intellectually or emotionally may favor the enemy and harbor sympathies or convictions disloyal to policy or interest of the United States, but so long as he commits no act of aid and comfort to the enemy there is no treason, and a citizen may take actions which aid and comfort the enemy, but if there is no adherence to the enemy in that, and there is no intent to betray, there is no treason. Cr.Code, § 1, 18 U.S.C.A. § 1; U.S.C.A. Const. art. 3, § 3; Cramer v. United States, 325 U.S. 1 (1945).

I'll tell you this much, this^ is enough to arrest and hold somebody with. Remember now that a POTUS appoints federal judges; and because treason is a federal offense, the case would go to federal court. Any attorney worth their salt would properly allege a number of Constitutional violations for this hypothetical situation and demand a dismissal. But a judge could simply deny the motion for dismissal, and set a trial date based on a few manufactured facts. Now our hypothetical news anchor is looking at a relatively indefinite period of time in jail before trial (max of one year IIRC--I may not RC).

If that happens a few times, it could effectively intimidate the media into silence.

The record of governments doing things like this is no secret, and the comparison of Trump to other tyrannical regimes is not alarmist. He has spoken of shutting down media via libel laws, but that's been laughed off because those are state laws and a POTUS can't make such a thing federal law. But it only takes a brief moment to understand that libel laws are not the only way to do it, and that there are far more efficient ways.

He has said that protesters need to be handled like they used to. Now, take that for whatever you may think it means, but it's imprudent to take it as anything else but a threat to free assembly. He has said we should torture people and kill the families of terrorists. He can appoint and nominate people who will do all of those things before anything can be done to stop it, and all we can do is hope that he has the good nature not to do so.

That's truly frightening. And it's not stereotypical pussy-liberal, my feelings are hurt, I need a safe space fear. Trump has openly expressed admiration for Putin and even Kim Jong Un for the way he controls his country.

The danger is very real and we'll be very lucky as a nation to escape intact.

[Brian37]

Stop being stupid and trying to marginalize this issue as if I am the only one concerned. I AM NOT a "warrior". Sounding an alarm is not an over reaction or pretending to be something I am not.

He has a very real past the way he was raised that has shaped the way he thinks. He is a sociopath, and not just a sociopath, but one who was raised with a father that DID NOT teach him empathy for others outside his own family. He has taken that abusive mentality and applied it to business and now politics.

Your ignorant marginalizing me as if I was the only one reacting is not only stupid, but dangerous. If you cannot see fit to understand you are not just marginalizing what I went through, you are also marginalizing what our LGBT friends have gone through and other minorities like Hispanics and blacks and Muslim refugees.

NO I am NOT a warrior. Trump is the asshole who thinks Jerry Springer is good politics and thinks everyone wants to be him and that somehow he is John Wayne.

Marginalizing you is dangerous?

For the record, I was not marginalizing you.  I was teasing you, because you clearly see yourself as some sort of leader-like, justice warrior come to save us all.  And you do it on an atheist forum for god's sake.  It's tiring reading your rants that start by stating the obvious and then go hopping around from one irrelevant point to another, all in some ill-conceived plan to get the word out.  I've failed even to tell what you think you're going to get out of posting like this as often as you do.

Yes you were marginalizing, don't cop out to "teasing" NO I do not see myself as a leader. You focusing on the amount I talk about it doesn't constitute you assuming the thoughts in my head

[Autumnlicious]

Brian, tone it down and stop taking the bait. You're presenting the appearance of someone in a state of mania and that is counterproductive.

FNM, you've been rather bitter of late and it hasn't decreased in the slightest. What's eating you?

[Brian37]

Brian, tone it down and stop taking the bait. You're presenting the appearance of someone in a state of mania and that is counterproductive.

FNM, you've been rather bitter of late and it hasn't decreased in the slightest. What's eating you?

No sorry if you think this is a game and or trying to teach me something it isnt It is sounding the alarm to the mania Trump used to get ellected

[Autumnlicious]

Eesh.

[account_inactive]

This should be fun.

I was right.