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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 1:17 pm
(November 26, 2016 at 12:15 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: (November 26, 2016 at 11:57 am)robvalue Wrote: Nope. Incorrect.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods, that's it. Not necessarily the belief that there is no gods, but it can be. Everything else is you projecting. No science, no certainty.
Can you explain how "Atheism is the lack of belief in gods" and "Not necessarily the belief that there is no gods" are different? Aren't they the same thing? Sorry for bothering, I just don't get it.
All Atheists lack belief in god(s). That's what the very word means. We do not deny god(s) existence, as that would insinuate there is a god to deny.
There is a serious lack of evidence for the existence of any god(s), which is the heart of Atheism. Some people are Atheist for that reason alone. Others will assert that there isn't, or never were, any god(s); since they are the most preposterous, illogical, meaningless, and completely irrelevant concepts ever created by human beings.
You should do some research on Atheist Agnostic (Weak Atheist), and Atheist Gnostic (Strong Atheist). You should research Ignosticism, while you're at it, and also accept that there are people who just don't care one way or another.
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 1:24 pm
(November 26, 2016 at 1:06 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: What about "innocent until proven guilty"?
Precisely. I judge gods innocent of existing until proven otherwise.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2016 at 1:55 pm by robvalue.)
Well, that's simply a catch phrase. It really means "not guilty until proven guilty", as opposed to "guilty until proven not guilty".
In the same way, it's the sensible position to not believe in a god until it's been demonstrated to exist, instead of believing in it until it's been proven not to exist.
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 2:09 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2016 at 2:09 pm by purplepurpose.)
(November 26, 2016 at 1:52 pm)robvalue Wrote: Well, that's simply a catch phrase. It really means "not guilty until proven guilty", as opposed to "guilty until proven not guilty".
In the same way, it's the sensible position to not believe in a god until it's been demonstrated to exist, instead of believing in it until it's been proven not to exist.
Science is pretty young and it might take many generations to detect something even close to God. Like supernatural phenomenons. That's why many people still take "leap of faith".
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 2:15 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2016 at 2:16 pm by robvalue.)
Sure. As I said, I have no idea what God is anyway. It's just a vague sloppy concept that gets thrown about. You can't "find" something that isn't defined properly. I doubt anything science ever finds will be considered good enough to be "God".
Supernatural is a similarly meaningless term.
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 2:18 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2016 at 2:26 pm by purplepurpose.)
(November 26, 2016 at 2:15 pm)robvalue Wrote: Sure. As I said, I have no idea what God is anyway. It's just a vague sloppy concept that gets thrown about. You can't "find" something that isn't defined properly. I doubt anything science ever finds will be considered good enough to be "God".
Supernatural is a similarly meaningless term.
Supernatural - breaks the laws of material universe, something beyond.
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 2:31 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2016 at 2:35 pm by robvalue.)
If it breaks the laws, they aren't laws. It may break our models of the laws; that's not the same thing. That simply indicates a lack of understanding on our part.
Laws may handle some things differently to others, of course. We already know that.
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 2:44 pm
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(November 26, 2016 at 2:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: If it breaks the laws, they aren't laws. It may break our models of the laws; that's not the same thing. That simply indicates a lack of understanding on our part.
Laws may handle some things differently to others, of course. We already know that.
I meant that knowledge of laws get so expanded, that idea of eternal God wont be so alien to us, if it happens somewhere in distant future.
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 3:05 pm
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So supernatural means unexplained, then.
You also mentioned external. Something external to our reality, if such a thing is coherent, would I imagine be impossible to detect. If we can reach it somehow, then it seems similarly pointless to label it "another reality".
I don't know what an eternal god is, except that it's presumably eternal. Unless you define it, you'll just find more and more stuff, and people will each say "yes that's a god / no it isn't". And it will continue to mean nothing.
Let's face it, anything real that ever gets found cannot be allowed to be a god. If it was, religion would end, as every theist utters a disappointed, "Oh".
The trick to god is making up whatever you want.
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RE: My honest reason for disliking the idea of God
November 26, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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(November 26, 2016 at 3:05 pm)robvalue Wrote: So supernatural means unexplained, then.
You also mentioned external. Something external to our reality, if such a thing is coherent, would I imagine be impossible to detect. If we can reach it somehow, then it seems similarly pointless to label it "another reality".
I don't know what an eternal god is, except that it's presumably eternal. Unless you define it, you'll just find more and more stuff, and people will each say "yes that's a god / no it isn't". And it will continue to mean nothing.
Let's face it, anything real that ever gets found cannot be allowed to be a god. If it was, religion would end, as every theist utters a disappointed, "Oh".
The trick to god is making up whatever you want.
Do you think that even peaceful religions, which preach about the life of good deeds, shouldn't preach and just become mute to don't bother people and "starve themselves to death"?
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