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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 6:07 pm
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(December 7, 2016 at 5:45 pm)Orochi Wrote: (December 7, 2016 at 4:33 pm)wallym Wrote: No no no. Neurodiversity. Stop being a bigot!
stating a fact relevant to the point of this thread is not bigotry you fool
and once again you tragic sense of humour fails you
Referring to a sociopathy as a brain 'problem' is bigotry. It is not a 'problem.' It's just different. Going to try and stick me in conversion therapy next? Try not to be such an awful person.
(December 7, 2016 at 5:20 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Neurodiversity: passing off mental illness on the same level as skin color.
Get bent.
Not an illness. Try not to be such a bigot. Wow, this place is pretty backwards thinking. Very sad state of affairs.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm
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It's a problem in that sociopathy is not sociopathy until it becomes a disorder, a disorder is something that negatively impacts your life. Sure, it's "different"...and also a problem. It;s an illness in that it is a disorder, if it;s not an illness, it;s not a disorder...and yet again, is not sociopathy....just the normal range of negatively valued human behaviors.
If it's not a problem, it's not a disorder, if it;s not an illness.....it's not sociopathy, you're just a dick. Being a dick, mostly, doesn't manifest itself as a problem, society is full of them.
Embrace the dick within, stop calling it something that it isn't. 
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 6:24 pm
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(December 7, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Because it's definitional to the diagnosis (insomuch as there is one...there is no specific diagnosis for either...they simply fall along a broad category of other disorders)........lol?
Psycopaths and sociopaths are not the same thing. A swing and a miss. Probably an honest mistake, though, thanks for the link...good stuff.
It isn't part of the definition at all in so far as it differentiates sociopathy from psychopathy. They fall along a broad term of antisocial personality disorders which can be diagnosed by a number of different atypical behavioral patterns.
There isn't a well defined distinction between the two, the most commonly accepted one being to differentiate between genetic and environmental factors.
I'm not a psychologist, but you are grossly oversimplifying a very complicated relationship between the two. You shouldn't assume empathy is impossible for a sociopath. Mirror neurons can develop in a sociopath, how well they developed in childhood, how well utilized they are, etc is a tricky question.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 6:25 pm
Hmm. Looks like he's just trolling at this point anyway.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 6:26 pm
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(December 7, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: (December 7, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Because it's definitional to the diagnosis (insomuch as there is one...there is no specific diagnosis for either...they simply fall along a broad category of other disorders)........lol?
Psycopaths and sociopaths are not the same thing. A swing and a miss. Probably an honest mistake, though, thanks for the link...good stuff.
It isn't part of the definition at all in so far as it differentiates sociopathy from psychopathy. They fall along a broad term of antisocial personality disorders which can be diagnosed by a number of different atypical behavioral patterns.
There isn't a well defined distinction between the two, the most commonly accepted one being to differentiate between genetic and environmental factors.
I'm not a psychologist, but you are grossly oversimplifying a very complicated relationship between the two. You shouldn't assume empathy is impossible for a sociopath. Mirror neurons can develop in a sociopath, how well they developed in childhood, how well utilized they are, etc is a tricky question. I;m grossly oversimplifying, lol? I actually just read the google search report you stopped searching at to respond to me. Gratz. No one assumes that it is impossible, it is diminished - for some to the point of inability (which, like sociopathy and psycopathy, inability is not impossibility), that is the marker of sociopathy, as opposed to pyscopathy - though associated disorders can share many traits, which was what you linked earlier in regards to. What more can be said?
Triple down if you like. Or just accept a simple gaff brought about by the interchangeable use of the two terms in the colloquial sense.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 6:28 pm
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(December 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's a problem in that sociopathy is not sociopathy until it becomes a disorder, a disorder is something that negatively impacts your life. Sure, it's "different"...and also a problem. It;s an illness in that it is a disorder, if it;s not an illness, it;s not a disorder...and yet again, is not sociopathy....just the normal range of negatively valued human behaviors.
If it's not a problem, it's not a disorder, if it;s not an illness.....it's not sociopathy, you're just a dick. Being a dick, mostly, doesn't manifest itself as a problem, society is full of them.
Embrace the dick within, stop calling it something that it isn't.
Actually
And wally please stop hijacking LGBT rights the joke isn't funny
And once again pointing it out as it relates to this thread isn't bigotry
(December 7, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hmm. Looks like he's just trolling at this point anyway.
Yup this is his so called humor
mocking civil rights movements and trying to cast us in the regressive role
it of course is neither funny nor reflects any real state of affairs
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 7:16 pm
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Edit Reason: edited almost*...without it, my statement was a bit presumptious
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(December 7, 2016 at 6:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (December 7, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Aristocatt Wrote: It isn't part of the definition at all in so far as it differentiates sociopathy from psychopathy. They fall along a broad term of antisocial personality disorders which can be diagnosed by a number of different atypical behavioral patterns.
There isn't a well defined distinction between the two, the most commonly accepted one being to differentiate between genetic and environmental factors.
I'm not a psychologist, but you are grossly oversimplifying a very complicated relationship between the two. You shouldn't assume empathy is impossible for a sociopath. Mirror neurons can develop in a sociopath, how well they developed in childhood, how well utilized they are, etc is a tricky question. I;m grossly oversimplifying, lol? I actually just read the google search report you stopped searching at to respond to me. Gratz. No one assumes that it is impossible, it is diminished - for some to the point of inability (which, like sociopathy and psycopathy, inability is not impossibility), that is the marker of sociopathy, as opposed to pyscopathy - though associated disorders can share many traits, which was what you linked earlier in regards to. What more can be said?
Triple down if you like. Or just accept a simple gaff brought about by the interchangeable use of the two terms in the colloquial sense.
You seem to misunderstand my point. As I might have misunderstood the assumption people here had about sociopathy and empathy.
What exactly do you think I am inclined to triple down on?
What do you think the marker of sociopathy is, as opposed to psychopathy? It has almost* nothing to do with a larger degree of empathy impairment. If that was what you were suggesting.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 7:23 pm
(December 7, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hmm. Looks like he's just trolling at this point anyway.
Sort of. I don't take is seriously.
But there are plenty of people who do, and really do believe that their words would constitute bigotry.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 7:31 pm
(December 7, 2016 at 7:23 pm)wallym Wrote: (December 7, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hmm. Looks like he's just trolling at this point anyway.
Sort of. I don't take is seriously.
But there are plenty of people who do, and really do believe that their words would constitute bigotry.
Well, I appreciate you being open about your condition.
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RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 7, 2016 at 8:12 pm
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(December 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's a problem in that sociopathy is not sociopathy until it becomes a disorder, a disorder is something that negatively impacts your life. Sure, it's "different"...and also a problem. It;s an illness in that it is a disorder, if it;s not an illness, it;s not a disorder...and yet again, is not sociopathy....just the normal range of negatively valued human behaviors.
If it's not a problem, it's not a disorder, if it;s not an illness.....it's not sociopathy, you're just a dick. Being a dick, mostly, doesn't manifest itself as a problem, society is full of them.
Embrace the dick within, stop calling it something that it isn't.
Neurodiversity is new'ish. They'll get around to changing the wording soon enough.
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