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December 18, 2016 at 9:16 pm
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(December 18, 2016 at 8:41 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (December 18, 2016 at 8:36 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Nobody's saying that there are not going to be a wide swath of opinions in a lot of places. This has more benefits than drawbacks.
What I am saying, however, is that it is dishonest and disingenuous to label me "just as divisive" when I call out bigotry and racism.
I wouldn't say that.
I think it's divisive to on the one hand claim the merits of diversity and free speech only to then shut down speech and just have the communication be all about shouting, swearing, calling people vermin and things like that.
And I don't have any principles against people who stop talking to me because I voted for brexit I just find it funny like watching a kid who plays football until they lose then they run away crying with the ball.
there is a limit to diversity and calling bigots and vermin bigots and vermin is no more bigotry then calling a dog a dog and as I said I don't care what there reason is as I already explained above and no you analogy doesn't work
(December 18, 2016 at 8:52 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (December 18, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Calling out bigotry and racism isn't shutting down free speech.
But now you mention it this can be a way of shutting out free speech. Since people are afraid of being called racist it can be used as a way of intimidation if you want to talk about something race related but you're afraid of being called a racist.
In fact it doesn't even have to be race related in a sense, someone can shut down speech by calling someone a racist if they talk about immigration, president Obama, a non white celebrity.
It could be shutting down free speech about a non white person's opinions of a white person.
aww the bigots don't like being called bigots and wet themselves at the idea the society won't pander to there idiocy and people might take a offence to it would they like a violin quartet
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December 18, 2016 at 9:25 pm
(December 18, 2016 at 9:16 pm)Orochi Wrote: (December 18, 2016 at 8:41 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I wouldn't say that.
I think it's divisive to on the one hand claim the merits of diversity and free speech only to then shut down speech and just have the communication be all about shouting, swearing, calling people vermin and things like that.
And I don't have any principles against people who stop talking to me because I voted for brexit I just find it funny like watching a kid who plays football until they lose then they run away crying with the ball.
there is a limit to diversity and calling bigots and vermin bigots and vermin is no more bigotry then calling a dog a dog and as I said I don't care what there reason is as I already explained above and no you analogy doesn't work
(December 18, 2016 at 8:52 pm)paulpablo Wrote: But now you mention it this can be a way of shutting out free speech. Since people are afraid of being called racist it can be used as a way of intimidation if you want to talk about something race related but you're afraid of being called a racist.
In fact it doesn't even have to be race related in a sense, someone can shut down speech by calling someone a racist if they talk about immigration, president Obama, a non white celebrity.
It could be shutting down free speech about a non white person's opinions of a white person.
aww the bigots don't like being called bigots and wet themselves at the idea the society won't pander to there idiocy and people might take a offence to it would they like a violin quartet
prime example of sensible discussion quickly devolving into left wing childish talk.
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December 18, 2016 at 9:29 pm
(December 18, 2016 at 9:25 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (December 18, 2016 at 9:16 pm)Orochi Wrote: there is a limit to diversity and calling bigots and vermin bigots and vermin is no more bigotry then calling a dog a dog and as I said I don't care what there reason is as I already explained above and no you analogy doesn't work
aww the bigots don't like being called bigots and wet themselves at the idea the society won't pander to there idiocy and people might take a offence to it would they like a violin quartet
prime example of sensible discussion quickly devolving into left wing childish talk.
nope a prime example of calling something it is and some people crying your being childish for doing it
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December 18, 2016 at 9:32 pm
It's also a prime example of that free speech the right wingers love so much. Oh right, you only like it on your terms.
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December 18, 2016 at 9:33 pm
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(December 18, 2016 at 9:29 pm)Orochi Wrote: (December 18, 2016 at 9:25 pm)paulpablo Wrote: prime example of sensible discussion quickly devolving into left wing childish talk.
nope a prime example of calling something it is and some people crying your being childish for doing it
I didn't say anything childish. I was talking having a discussion then you started babbling baby talk.
Come up with a relevant argument concerning why I was wrong about people sometimes using intimidation in the form of claims of racism to stop people excersising their freedom of expression. Try that.
That's how a logical adult has a conversation about a topic.
(December 18, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Jesster Wrote: It's also a prime example of that free speech the right wingers love so much. Oh right, you only like it on your terms.
And I'm just calling out childish talk I'm not stopping freedom of expression. Just like how you left wingers always say.
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December 18, 2016 at 9:35 pm
(December 18, 2016 at 9:33 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Just like how you left wingers always say.
"No you!"
Childish talk, indeed
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December 18, 2016 at 9:43 pm
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December 18, 2016 at 9:43 pm
It does nobody any good to take the worst example and define the entire group by that one.
I understand that this is what a lot of liberals are doing. I mean that on both sides.
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December 18, 2016 at 9:52 pm
(December 18, 2016 at 6:30 pm)abaris Wrote: (December 18, 2016 at 5:55 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think it's crazy how so many left wingers I know have real trouble with diversity yet claim to be the most for diversity.
For the record. I did read the whole of your post. And I said it before, we have nothing in common. I perfectly understand why your scottish friend doesn't want to have anything to do with you. The only thing I don't understand why she bothered with you anyway.
As far as diversity goes. Accepting exclusion, bigotry or resentment isn't accepting diversity. It's the polar opposite. Any opinion or world view based on degrading others to the level of secondary humans is something to fight against. Certainly not something to tolerate.
My bold, probably for the phone sex. Sex and politics where the main discussions.
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