This really got to me

[Godscreated]

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I've known many pastors but,not the one in the OP,  some of them have made comments they wish the could have taken back. Most of the time they know exactly what they're saying and speaking about most are well educated and take seriously their calling. This is why I said a mistake was possibly made. I wanted to open up the possibility of a discussion on what was really said, not one where people call others idiots. I could have done that from the start but where would that have gotten the subject. Guess I should have known that name calling would be the result anyway, it seems that's the typical response here.

GC

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I sat for a hundred or so sermons by this local Pentecostal preacher ( an ailing family member wanted company). He was always going on about the "fields of corn" as in 2Chronicles 31:5.
He would yell and stomp about how wonderful it must have been to walk through the 7ft tall stalks of corn and see those ears bursting with plump kernels. Obviously he did not know that Maize is a New World crop and corn and old English word for grain. Does this make him an idiot? Yes, for two reasons....

One : He is the same age as me. I was taught this fact in elementary school. He was too busy talking to the Holy Ghost to pay attention in school.

Two : His claim and that of his sheepish flock is that he has an "anointment" to preach. If your authority to preach comes from a higher power you have a larger duty to be accurate. He is an idiot.

I agree with both points you made up to the point of calling him an idiot that's a bit strong. Uneducated yes idiot not really. You or someone in the church should in private talked to him about such a mistake. Let me ask you this, is this a small country church in a rural community? Not all men behind a pulpit are called to preach the word of God and not all that are called have a seminary education especially in small rural churches. This is an unfortunate situation for the church and personally I think one that can be avoided. I have a nephew who can't afford to go to seminary, he has a family to raise, he is however taking online classes, so it's possible for those who are called to get an education. With this said I understand what you're say about this particular preacher. To call this man an idiot IMO would require someone to talk to him about his mistake and then if he continued to make the same mistake there may be justification to call him an idiot.

GC

[chimp3]

I sat for a hundred or so sermons by this local Pentecostal preacher ( an ailing family member wanted company). He was always going on about the "fields of corn" as in 2Chronicles 31:5.
He would yell and stomp about how wonderful it must have been to walk through the 7ft tall stalks of corn and see those ears bursting with plump kernels. Obviously he did not know that Maize is a New World crop and corn and old English word for grain. Does this make him an idiot? Yes, for two reasons....

One : He is the same age as me. I was taught this fact in elementary school. He was too busy talking to the Holy Ghost to pay attention in school.

Two : His claim and that of his sheepish flock is that he has an "anointment" to preach. If your authority to preach comes from a higher power you have a larger duty to be accurate. He is an idiot.

I agree with both points you made up to the point of calling him an idiot that's a bit strong. Uneducated yes idiot not really. You or someone in the church should in private talked to him about such a mistake. Let me ask you this, is this a small country church in a rural community? Not all men behind a pulpit are called to preach the word of God and not all that are called have a seminary education especially in small rural churches. This is an unfortunate situation for the church and personally I think one that can be avoided. I have a nephew who can't afford to go to seminary, he has a family to raise, he is however taking online classes, so it's possible for those who are called to get an education. With this said I understand what you're say about this particular preacher. To call this man an idiot IMO would require someone to talk to him about his mistake and then if he continued to make the same mistake there may be justification to call him an idiot.

GC

If he considers himself anointed and says the things he says then he is an idiot. I am not a member of his church. Simp!y an amused onlooker.

[Astonished]

Oh, this saves me the trouble of asking if you're one of those people who actually reads your own holy books or not. Thanks. Time-saver, really appreciate it.

You don't even realize how silly you are Ast.

First you accuse God of all sort of stupidity and then when I asked you who really bring up all dogmas
and evil you find a story to get out from your own stupidity.

But LR is here to help even all fools like you by telling you that are the religions that invent all these
stories.
Nothing to do with God therefore.
Learn Ast instead of talking crap.  

Wow, you make it so that asking if you are really that stupid pointless.

If you're going to spew incomprehensible bullshit, you need to preface everything you say with the 'fact' that you receive revelation directly from 'god' without having to use the bible as an intermediary like every other only marginally less insane person than you, so you have unique access to this privileged insight that god doesn't seem to be interested in sharing with the rest of the class. Fuck both of you whether you're actually performing this miraculous feat or not.

[Little Rik]

You don't even realize how silly you are Ast.

First you accuse God of all sort of stupidity and then when I asked you who really bring up all dogmas
and evil you find a story to get out from your own stupidity.

But LR is here to help even all fools like you by telling you that are the religions that invent all these
stories.
Nothing to do with God therefore.
Learn Ast instead of talking crap.  

Wow, you make it so that asking if you are really that stupid pointless.

If you're going to spew incomprehensible bullshit, you need to preface everything you say with the 'fact' that you receive revelation directly from 'god' without having to use the bible as an intermediary like every other only marginally less insane person than you, so you have unique access to this privileged insight that god doesn't seem to be interested in sharing with the rest of the class. Fuck both of you whether you're actually performing this miraculous feat or not.

Sorry son but until you bring forward any evidence that God said this or that or God is evil then it is you that are in the sewer for talking crap not me.  

[chimp3]

God choosing lil rik for revelation is like aliens choosing a guy named Cletus to spread their message of goodwill toward humanity.

[Little Rik]

God choosing lil rik for revelation is like aliens choosing a guy named Cletus to spread their message of goodwill toward humanity.

Actually God doesn't work on these lines.
There is no need for God to choose anyone for any revelation.
When you tune your radio or tv to some stations you get the sound or picture.
The same goes with God.
When you get the correct tuning you are able to tune with God and know how the system works.
Nothing philosophical here chimp.
It is all very simple.
A bit more difficult is to tune in that direction.
That require a lot of hard work but as the saying goes........IF YOU NEVER START YOU NEVER GET THERE.  

[Astonished]

God choosing lil rik for revelation is like aliens choosing a guy named Cletus to spread their message of goodwill toward humanity.

Actually God doesn't work on these lines.
There is no need for God to choose anyone for any revelation.
When you tune your radio or tv to some stations you get the sound or picture.
The same goes with God.
When you get the correct tuning you are able to tune with God and know how the system works.
Nothing philosophical here chimp.
It is all very simple.
A bit more difficult is to tune in that direction.
That require a lot of hard work but as the saying goes........IF YOU NEVER START YOU NEVER GET THERE.  

Ah, of course, it's our fault that god's message is so ineptly disseminated that it can't reach us. Just like it's fucked up for us to do all the horrible things god does and yet condemns us for doing.

This is fundamentally why there is no possible way for faith and reason to coexist.

[Little Rik]

Actually God doesn't work on these lines.
There is no need for God to choose anyone for any revelation.
When you tune your radio or tv to some stations you get the sound or picture.
The same goes with God.
When you get the correct tuning you are able to tune with God and know how the system works.
Nothing philosophical here chimp.
It is all very simple.
A bit more difficult is to tune in that direction.
That require a lot of hard work but as the saying goes........IF YOU NEVER START YOU NEVER GET THERE.  

Ah, of course, it's our fault that god's message is so ineptly disseminated that it can't reach us. Just like it's fucked up for us to do all the horrible things god does and yet condemns us for doing.

This is fundamentally why there is no possible way for faith and reason to coexist.

Why God's message should reach you?  
You are the one who got to reach him not the other way around.
Suppose you like someone.
Do you expect that that someone should come to you without you having done nothing to conquer him or her first?
You never though of that Ast, did you?  

And what about God doing horrible things?
Have you ever thought that people in previous lives did horrible things to other people so the karma law apply to them?  

[Astonished]

Ah, of course, it's our fault that god's message is so ineptly disseminated that it can't reach us. Just like it's fucked up for us to do all the horrible things god does and yet condemns us for doing.

This is fundamentally why there is no possible way for faith and reason to coexist.

Why God's message should reach you?  
You are the one who got to reach him not the other way around.
Suppose you like someone.
Do you expect that that someone should come to you without you having done nothing to conquer him or her first?
You never though of that Ast, did you?  

And what about God doing horrible things?
Have you ever thought that people in previous lives did horrible things to other people so the karma law apply to them?  

The jackassery is stomach-turning. Virtually every atheist has started out as a believer (against their will, in retrospect) and while the sincerity varied, they would all likely have begged in one form or another for such knowledge and relationships with their various deities du jour, and got not so much as a celestial fart in the face. Again, if there is a god that wants to communicate anything at all to any of us, he's doing the most inept imaginable job of it, and yet somehow believers want to take the blame for it and also cast it upon the rest of us (not unlike the dogshit sin concept, so they can reduce their own self-imposed guilt by spreading it to the rest of us who don't share that taint). Get a fucking clue.

Karma is also a horseshit, utterly immoral concept with no basis in practical reality nor in actually reinforcing a good moral framework, it's nothing more than a dressed-up carrot and stick enticement and threat shtick with a pleasant-sounding name that makes people forget about the heaven-hell dichotomy. Fuck karma in its left ear.

As for god being removed from the equation by karma, let me ask you this: If you're selected to execute someone (or in this case, you've chosen to be that person), do you feel any guilt whatsoever or none at all? If there is a god in charge of karma and it feels no guilt for being the arbiter of this insane system, that is an unworthy agent to be participating in it. And if it does feel guilt, the system would become unbalanced and cease to function properly because of the bias it would have to form as a result of that compounded guilt. None of your petty ideas have even an ankle to stand on.

[ignoramus]

Chimp? If them emoticons won't convince you, nothing will!