Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.

[Pat Mustard]

How many fingers am I holding, Winston?

[Drich]

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The bible never claims that it does. It simply makes a point in saying we are sons of Adam.

Again in my narrative I point out the Genesis 1,2,3,4 are central garden narratives. Meaning if you were sat in the middle of the garden and told to record this is what you would see. It does not mean life outside the garden worked the same way. In fact we know it didn't as God told Adam and Eve of all the struggles they would face outside the garden.

Again the garden was a perserve, meaning it was kept apart from the rest of the natural world. Natural world meaning evolved world. a world where man/you descendants share a line with monkeys. We are told in the garden When God created Adam and Eve he breathed a living soul into them. That is the difference between those in the garden and those who 'evolved' outside the garden.

So then how does everyone have a soul?

Hmmm..


Only if there was a great bottle neck in human history when just about everyone dies, expect those with souls...

Do you see? Not everyone is descendant from two people, but at the same time are all share a soul/can be called sons of Adam.

Since all humans these days have souls, according you to, then I have a few questions:

When do you suppose the Flood happened?

How many people came off the ark? Eight? Some unspecified number of others not mentioned in the story?

Were there other soul-endowed people who survived the flood, aside from the ark inhabitants?

1) around the time of Noah

2) Moses 3 sons their spouces.. We know of three sons, but do not know how many wives they took for themselves. But, in chapter 7 Noah was commanded to gather 7 pairs of every living animal, and he did so. This was ontop of the command that his sons gather his family. At the end of that paragraph we were told Noah did everything that he was told.

3)No only people with souls came off the ark. The flood was purposed to kill not only the wicked but all the other human/hybrids alive.

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Sorry Kermit...

But we all have souls... the last Souless son of a monkey man died begging to be let into the ark.

Got a citation for that, sporty?

gen 7
1-22 Every living thing on earth died—every man and woman, every bird, and every kind of animal. All the many kinds of animals and all the things that crawl on the ground died. Every living, breathing thing on dry land died. 23 In this way God wiped the earth clean—he destroyed every living thing on the earth—every human, every animal, everything that crawls, and every bird. All that was left was Noah and his family and the animals that were with him in the boat. 24 The water continued to cover the earth for 150 days.

[Cyberman]

I don't seem to see any mention of a soulless son of a monkey man, nor any begging to be let into the ark. Just talk of a body count. Were you trying to overdramatise in order to make a point, or is this one of those interpretation/revelation things?

[Drich]

Sorry Kermit...

But we all have souls... the last Souless son of a monkey man died begging to be let into the ark.

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Perhaps by small minded people who do not wish to contiplate a greater truth... That being the creation account as recorded in scripture can and does encompass any scientific theory and can still ring completely true.

All on need do is eliminate the time line the church/religion has false put on the end of creation and the fall of Man. Once you allow the bible to simply read as written, then the planet/galaxy universe can be as old as you little mind needs it to be.

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I think that a better explanation is that the creation story in Genesis was based upon a Sumerian myth, derived from the Epic of Gilgamesh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

Seriously? Tablet 9 simply meanions 'The Great Flood' as does a dozen other ancient texts from completely different civilizations... Almost like all of these different cultures are describing one event.

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Sorry Kermit...

But we all have souls... the last Souless son of a monkey man died begging to be let into the ark.

Can't have.  I'm here, I had parents.  I belong to an evolved species not descended from a rib woman.  Talk about a half assed genocide.  / shrugs

you are only have 'rib of a woman, and 1/2 monkey' sport.

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Drich, do you believe in the story of the flood?

yes.

Many civilzations report of a 'great flood.'

[Minimalist]

But, in chapter 7 Noah was commanded to gather 7 pairs of every living animal, and he did so.

Too bad in Chapter 6 that the fucktard was commanded to gather two of every animal.  One of those little re-writes which drives assholes like you crazy!

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee;

[The Grand Nudger]

Can't have.  I'm here, I had parents.  I belong to an evolved species not descended from a rib woman.  Talk about a half assed genocide.  / shrugs

you are only have 'rib of a woman, and 1/2 monkey' sport.

I'd be careful with that one Drich, it allows for dating and falsification of your entire genesis story...and..as you know, no genesis, no play.

[Crossless2.0]

Drich, yes, ancient civilizations told tales of great floods. Leaving aside your comical need to believe that they are all referring to the Biblical flood, can you think of why they might have had flood stories? Come on. It's not that hard.

And let's pin down your timeline a bit. When did the flood happen? Telling me 'around the time of Noah' is cute but not useful.

[Drich]

Drich, your problem is that your mentality is stunted to that of a child because of the incapability you have to see the scriptures for the falsehoods that they are. The assumption you cling to, that there is any truth to them whatsoever, is what's keeping there from being any headway in this argument. You bring up any topic at all from the bible and it's like having farted, it brings nothing whatsoever to the discussion and really just makes us wrinkle our noses, and at the same time, somehow, you don't get embarrassed for having done so.

When we prove 2 + 2 doesn't equal five, we can stop talking about that. When your math textbook is full of nothing but such errors, we toss the damn thing out and get a better one. You telling us that if we twist our heads around backwards like in the Exorcist will allow us to see that 2 + 2 does equal five, is not only still true, but also demonstrably harmful to us, and again, you not being able to see that just compounds the problem.

You can debate anyone you like but your inability to feel ashamed of yourself for being such a jackass doesn't mean you shouldn't feel that way, and eventually we're going to get tired of indulging your bullshit. Honestly, watch one video of AronRa's, he shreds the arguments that have been accumulating centuries more stale crap in a very eloquent way. Any debate taken part in really involves nothing more than the theists playing word games to try to change definitions and bullshit their way into gaining a point (which is only anecdotal in nature anyway, never actually scientific), or flat-out lying. I literally can't listen to theist portions of youtube debates anymore, there is no significant difference between any of them and no matter how many times every single point is proven wrong, there's never anything new, or any real nuance to differentiate between them.

So... Rather than speak topically, and or try and defend anything topical... Your best intellectual efforts are centered around tearing me down as a person with insults and name calling leaving with only one recourse for me, and that is to side with you...

Man growing up for you must have sucked.

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I don't seem to see any mention of a soulless son of a monkey man, nor any begging to be let into the ark. Just talk of a body count. Were you trying to overdramatise in order to make a point, or is this one of those interpretation/revelation things?

Ahh, no.

This is an over dramatised version of the ark being flooded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IMBJyztU2Q

What I was suggesting was those who mocked moses about building an ark/monster boat so far away from any viable water supply, would also be the first to begg to be let in after it began to flood.

Not an unreasonable possibility.

Couple that with everything beside man with a soul surviving that bottle neck in our collective History it is not unfathomable that souless man to be among those wanting to live.

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But, in chapter 7 Noah was commanded to gather 7 pairs of every living animal, and he did so.

Too bad in Chapter 6 that the fucktard was commanded to gather two of every animal.  One of those little re-writes which drives assholes like you crazy!

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee;

keep reading 6.

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you are only have 'rib of a woman, and 1/2 monkey' sport.

I'd be careful with that one Drich, it allows for dating and falsification of your entire genesis story...and..as you know, no genesis, no play.

how so?

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Drich, yes, ancient civilizations told tales of great floods. Leaving aside your comical need to believe that they are all referring to the Biblical flood, can you think of why they might have had flood stories? Come on. It's not that hard.

And let's pin down your timeline a bit. When did the flood happen? Telling me 'around the time of Noah' is cute but not useful.

The bible does not give a date, so I don't know. Just around the rime of Noah is the best I can do biblicaly speaking.

And if you've research those 'great flood stories' (read the link I left) most tell of a singular world wide event. Granted different heros survive said event, but it is always the same flood.

In the Genesis account Ham is the wayward son who descendants can easily make up for those other cultures those opposing heros that survive the flood. However in the end the common thread is 'the great flood.'

[Astonished]

Drich, your problem is that your mentality is stunted to that of a child because of the incapability you have to see the scriptures for the falsehoods that they are. The assumption you cling to, that there is any truth to them whatsoever, is what's keeping there from being any headway in this argument. You bring up any topic at all from the bible and it's like having farted, it brings nothing whatsoever to the discussion and really just makes us wrinkle our noses, and at the same time, somehow, you don't get embarrassed for having done so.

When we prove 2 + 2 doesn't equal five, we can stop talking about that. When your math textbook is full of nothing but such errors, we toss the damn thing out and get a better one. You telling us that if we twist our heads around backwards like in the Exorcist will allow us to see that 2 + 2 does equal five, is not only still true, but also demonstrably harmful to us, and again, you not being able to see that just compounds the problem.

You can debate anyone you like but your inability to feel ashamed of yourself for being such a jackass doesn't mean you shouldn't feel that way, and eventually we're going to get tired of indulging your bullshit. Honestly, watch one video of AronRa's, he shreds the arguments that have been accumulating centuries more stale crap in a very eloquent way. Any debate taken part in really involves nothing more than the theists playing word games to try to change definitions and bullshit their way into gaining a point (which is only anecdotal in nature anyway, never actually scientific), or flat-out lying. I literally can't listen to theist portions of youtube debates anymore, there is no significant difference between any of them and no matter how many times every single point is proven wrong, there's never anything new, or any real nuance to differentiate between them.

So... Rather than speak topically, and or try and defend anything topical... Your best intellectual efforts are centered around tearing me down as a person with insults and name calling leaving with only one recourse for me, and that is to side with you...

Man growing up for you must have sucked.

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I don't seem to see any mention of a soulless son of a monkey man, nor any begging to be let into the ark. Just talk of a body count. Were you trying to overdramatise in order to make a point, or is this one of those interpretation/revelation things?

Ahh, no.

This is an over dramatised version of the ark being flooded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IMBJyztU2Q

What I was suggesting was those who mocked moses about building an ark/monster boat so far away from any viable water supply, would also be the first to begg to be let in after it began to flood.

Not an unreasonable possibility.

Couple that with everything beside man with a soul surviving that bottle neck in our collective History it is not unfathomable that souless man to be among those wanting to live.

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Too bad in Chapter 6 that the fucktard was commanded to gather two of every animal.  One of those little re-writes which drives assholes like you crazy!

keep reading 6.

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I'd be careful with that one Drich, it allows for dating and falsification of your entire genesis story...and..as you know, no genesis, no play.

how so?

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Drich, yes, ancient civilizations told tales of great floods. Leaving aside your comical need to believe that they are all referring to the Biblical flood, can you think of why they might have had flood stories? Come on. It's not that hard.

And let's pin down your timeline a bit. When did the flood happen? Telling me 'around the time of Noah' is cute but not useful.

The bible does not give a date, so I don't know. Just around the rime of Noah is the best I can do biblicaly speaking.

And if you've research those 'great flood stories' (read the link I left) most tell of a singular world wide event. Granted different heros survive said event, but it is always the same flood.

In the Genesis account Ham is the wayward son who descendants can easily make up for those other cultures those opposing heros that survive the flood. However in the end the common thread is 'the great flood.'

Incidentally yes, it did, because of people like you. See where I'm going with this?

But because you refuse to see any value in facts or even the concept of honesty at all, why waste time being topical? Giving you some food for thought about the blinders you're wearing is all that can really be done. If you care about being intellectually honest (not a big priority among the religious, it has to be said) in any way, shape or form, take that to heart and see if stepping outside your bubble helps you expand the limits you've imposed on your own intelligence. Because otherwise you're doing the equivalent of handing me soiled toilet paper and telling me you see great wisdom in it with me trying in vain to explain what it actually is that you're holding in your hands and why you should wash them immediately after even if your imaginary friend says there's no reason to do that.

[Crossless2.0]

Drich, your problem is that your mentality is stunted to that of a child because of the incapability you have to see the scriptures for the falsehoods that they are. The assumption you cling to, that there is any truth to them whatsoever, is what's keeping there from being any headway in this argument. You bring up any topic at all from the bible and it's like having farted, it brings nothing whatsoever to the discussion and really just makes us wrinkle our noses, and at the same time, somehow, you don't get embarrassed for having done so.

When we prove 2 + 2 doesn't equal five, we can stop talking about that. When your math textbook is full of nothing but such errors, we toss the damn thing out and get a better one. You telling us that if we twist our heads around backwards like in the Exorcist will allow us to see that 2 + 2 does equal five, is not only still true, but also demonstrably harmful to us, and again, you not being able to see that just compounds the problem.

You can debate anyone you like but your inability to feel ashamed of yourself for being such a jackass doesn't mean you shouldn't feel that way, and eventually we're going to get tired of indulging your bullshit. Honestly, watch one video of AronRa's, he shreds the arguments that have been accumulating centuries more stale crap in a very eloquent way. Any debate taken part in really involves nothing more than the theists playing word games to try to change definitions and bullshit their way into gaining a point (which is only anecdotal in nature anyway, never actually scientific), or flat-out lying. I literally can't listen to theist portions of youtube debates anymore, there is no significant difference between any of them and no matter how many times every single point is proven wrong, there's never anything new, or any real nuance to differentiate between them.

So... Rather than speak topically, and or try and defend anything topical... Your best intellectual efforts are centered around tearing me down as a person with insults and name calling leaving with only one recourse for me, and that is to side with you...

Man growing up for you must have sucked.

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I don't seem to see any mention of a soulless son of a monkey man, nor any begging to be let into the ark. Just talk of a body count. Were you trying to overdramatise in order to make a point, or is this one of those interpretation/revelation things?

Ahh, no.

This is an over dramatised version of the ark being flooded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IMBJyztU2Q

What I was suggesting was those who mocked moses about building an ark/monster boat so far away from any viable water supply, would also be the first to begg to be let in after it began to flood.

Not an unreasonable possibility.

Couple that with everything beside man with a soul surviving that bottle neck in our collective History it is not unfathomable that souless man to be among those wanting to live.

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Too bad in Chapter 6 that the fucktard was commanded to gather two of every animal.  One of those little re-writes which drives assholes like you crazy!

keep reading 6.

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I'd be careful with that one Drich, it allows for dating and falsification of your entire genesis story...and..as you know, no genesis, no play.

how so?

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Drich, yes, ancient civilizations told tales of great floods. Leaving aside your comical need to believe that they are all referring to the Biblical flood, can you think of why they might have had flood stories? Come on. It's not that hard.

And let's pin down your timeline a bit. When did the flood happen? Telling me 'around the time of Noah' is cute but not useful.

The bible does not give a date, so I don't know. Just around the rime of Noah is the best I can do biblicaly speaking.

And if you've research those 'great flood stories' (read the link I left) most tell of a singular world wide event. Granted different heros survive said event, but it is always the same flood.

In the Genesis account Ham is the wayward son who descendants can easily make up for those other cultures those opposing heros that survive the flood. However in the end the common thread is 'the great flood.'