UK to leave EU

[ukatheist]

Since the vote, people have been leaving the Leave camp in droves as reality sets in and they understand the lies and consequences. I very much doubt that if it was blocked, there would be any backlash at all.

You know, I keep seeing this repeated often, but pretty much every poll I can find, with the exception of those taken in the first few days of the referendum, show very little change by either side, and with leavers still with a slim majority. An example

http://www.comresglobal.com/polls/cnn-br...on-survey/

So, care to share your sources for your claim?

[Ben Davis]

Come on Bella, I thought you knew me better than that. I don't have tantrums. I have reasonable concerns. There is no 'tyranny' from Brussels, that's just hyperbolic however there are fundamental problems that need member states to come together to address.

I hate the Lords and want them abolished but that's because they're an undemocratic hangover of Royalist obligation. The Commons still needs a check/balance system, I just don't want it to be over-entitled, posh twats.

[Iroscato]

One constitutional crisis at a time...

[ukatheist]

I don't have tantrums. I have reasonable concerns.

I think that's fair. I don't expect it to be a cakewalk myself and I accept that in all probability we as a nation are likely to less well off economically than we would have been had we remained. But meh, we will still be better off economically than now, and it's hard to miss what you never had.

There is no 'tyranny' from Brussels, that's just hyperbolic however there are fundamental problems that need member states to come together to address.

This was probably the deciding factor for me. My view is that there is little appetite for change within the EU, other than the ever increasing expansion of members.

In my view the EU as an has become an aim in itself, which must be preserved and expanded at all costs (even if it means turning a blind eye to the fairly obvious fiscal problems of potential new members e.g Greece, or pointedly speaking out against the economic interests of it members when it comes to the Brexit decision, because of the fear that agreeing a new trade deal with a post-Brexit UK on anything approaching single market terms might encourage other members to leave, or ignoring national referendums about new legislation, and sneaking the legislation through the back door regardless, as in the case of the Netherlands).

I mean ffs it took a long running and fairly high profile media campaign fronted by a celebrity and an installation literally on the doorstep of the parliament to get the EU to even consider that throwing dead fish overboard if not in quota was a horrendous waste. Really, what chance does the EU have of agreeing to come together to solve bigger and trickier problems?

I hate the Lords and want them abolished but that's because they're an undemocratic hangover of Royalist obligation. The Commons still needs a check/balance system, I just don't want it to be over-entitled, posh twats.

We can agree on that much at least [emoji1]

[Pat Mustard]

This was probably the deciding factor for me. My view is that there is little appetite for change within the EU, other than the ever increasing expansion of members.

Which was one of the impositions on the EU by successive UK governments from Thatcher until Blair, because they were obeying the then US line that the best thing to do was to quickly usher in former Soviet satellites into the EU, regardless of how ready they were for accession (with disasterous consequences in many cases).

The continental view was always that expansion should be more gradual and partial in many cases.

Ironic isn't it that one of the main cases made by the Brexshitters was as a result of their sainted Maggie's insistence of a rapid acccession of Eastern Europe. It's almost as if they didn't understand the UK's position in the international jigsaw.

[ukatheist]

This was probably the deciding factor for me. My view is that there is little appetite for change within the EU, other than the ever increasing expansion of members.

Which was one of the impositions on the EU by successive UK governments from Thatcher until Blair, because they were obeying the then US line that the best thing to do was to quickly usher in former Soviet satellites into the EU, regardless of how ready they were for accession (with disasterous consequences in many cases).

The continental view was always that expansion should be more gradual and partial in many cases.

Ironic isn't it that one of the main cases made by the Brexshitters was as a result of their sainted Maggie's insistence of a rapid acccession of Eastern Europe. It's almost as if they didn't understand the UK's position in the international jigsaw.

Yeah, only that I am not, nor have ever been, nor am ever likely to be, a tory supporter. Sorry if that inconveniences that little narrative you have going on there.

And btw that 'imposition' - that was ratified by the UK people was it? Because it's not like the continual transfer of powers to the EU by successive UK politicians, without a referendum, was another main reason for leavers either, was it?

And by basically saying that the EU was forced to go against its collective wishes for the sake of one member is hardly making a case for the democracy of the EU.

[Pat Mustard]

<snipping the irrelevant bullshit>

Firstly, I never called you a tory supporter, just pointed out tory policy vis a vis the EU until a few months ago (viz do everything the US tells them about the EU).

And secondly if you've an issue about me pointing out the fact of what instigated the rush for including the former Soviet bloc into the EU, that's a problem you've got to sort out yourself, not I.

[Rhondazvous]

^^^Fuckin Yup^^^

ETA: Except for the civil rights part. Civil rights referendums can go horribly wrong when there is an underrepresented or disenfranchised minority's rights at stake. If segregation laws were up for referendum, there are some portions of the South in America which would happily vote to segregate schools/businesses. Hell, there are places in America where black people would vote to segregate themselves.

That's because they don't understand what segregation is. They think integration is the opposite of segregation, but it's not. But this thread is about the UK. I could start a thread about segregation and see what interesting posts will show up.

[The Grand Nudger]

Interesting is one word for the posts that would show up, lol.  I'd totally be in that thread...go..go!

[ukatheist]

Firstly, I never called you a tory supporter, just pointed out tory policy vis a vis the EU until a few months ago (viz do everything the US tells them about the EU).

Then I apologise for the misunderstanding.

And secondly if you've an issue about me pointing out the fact of what instigated the rush for including the former Soviet bloc into the EU, that's a problem you've got to sort out yourself, not I.

Not sure what part of my post implied that I have a problem with it, or with you pointing it out.