inheriting actions argument!

[Mystic]

Dude is probably going jihad on us or something.

You know I will always love you guys.

[KUSA]

I must have missed the memo. When did this happen?

For a very very very long time. Plato proves it. And it's been probably long been proven to humanity before Plato.

God can be proven so many ways. For example, just look at the argument of requirement of God for knowledge. This is true. We cannot honesty discern that we distinguish our true warranted beliefs from those that are not, if we don't have strong foundation for reasoning.

Many Philosophers argue that God is needed to discern knowledge, that is we need to know that there is guarantee there is a way to distinguish between justified belief and non-justified belief, and the mechanisms have to be in place...but it as Plantiga says if naturalism is true yes some beliefs will happen to be warranted and we need them to be to function but some beliefs may as well just be attributed to the path of evolution without warrant.

This for example really strikes me when it comes to morals. How do know a moral is true and should be followed over an opposite moral that others believe?

Are we just to blend with the crowd go with the flow?

Furthermore this proves religion, because the way to truly know oneself in a path of self-knowledge as well as knowledge of God is through a Guide that manifests and lights the way as we walk.

We cannot make up morality and call it righteous, we can't make the leader for us be it ourselves or others can't just call it righteous by our desires, rather we must recognize God and the Guide through the light and sword of truth, honor, and honesty.

Your proof of god is pure speculation.

Morals are a human concept. They change over time and region.

Do you have anything tangible?

[masterofpuppets]

I must have missed the memo. When did this happen?

For a very very very long time. Plato proves it. And it's been probably long been proven to humanity before Plato.

God can be proven so many ways. For example, just look at the argument of requirement of God for knowledge. This is true. We cannot honesty discern that we distinguish our true warranted beliefs from those that are not, if we don't have strong foundation for reasoning. [1]

Many Philosophers argue that God is needed to discern knowledge, that is we need to know that there is guarantee there is a way to distinguish between justified belief and non-justified belief, and the mechanisms have to be in place...but it as Plantiga says if naturalism is true yes some beliefs will happen to be warranted and we need them to be to function but some beliefs may as well just be attributed to the path of evolution without warrant. [2]

This for example really strikes me when it comes to morals. How do know a moral is true and should be followed over an opposite moral that others believe? [3]

Are we just to blend with the crowd go with the flow?

Furthermore this proves religion, because the way to truly know oneself in a path of self-knowledge as well as knowledge of God is through a Guide that manifests and lights the way as we walk.

We cannot make up morality and call it righteous, we can't make the leader for us be it ourselves or others can't just call it righteous by our desires, rather we must recognize God and the Guide through the light and sword of truth, honor, and honesty.

1. This argument is begging the question. Truth is based on certain presuppositions, such as the logical absolutes. We don't need a god for this.
2. If you said that we needed God for absolute certainty, then I might accept your argument (and that's a big might), but no one has demonstrated that absolute certainty exists, and I don't even think it's possible.
3. Morals can be justified, but ultimately morals are a human construct. Morals have changed over the years and they will continue to change. Absolute morality is a demonstrably false concept.


The rest is too incoherent to refute.

[Brian37]

Dude is probably going jihad on us or something.

You know I will always love you guys.

Mystic, seriously, I don't know what you mean by that sentence, but if you are having problems with depression, I have them too, and it does not help now that I have lost my mother. But please don't hurt yourself. We can also talk to you about non religious things to help you cope with any personal problems in your life. That is what I am doing to cope with the death of my mother.

[Mystic]

You know I will always love you guys.

Mystic, seriously, I don't know what you mean by that sentence, but if you are having problems with depression, I have them too, and it does not help now that I have lost my mother. But please don't hurt yourself. We can also talk to you about non religious things to help you cope with any personal problems in your life. That is what I am doing to cope with the death of my mother.

It means I will always appreciate you people as people and respect you, and have compassion for you and wish well for you. I will consider you brothers of humanity and equals in creation till the end.

Whatever I desire from God for myself, I desire for you.

[Brian37]

Mystic, seriously, I don't know what you mean by that sentence, but if you are having problems with depression, I have them too, and it does not help now that I have lost my mother. But please don't hurt yourself. We can also talk to you about non religious things to help you cope with any personal problems in your life. That is what I am doing to cope with the death of my mother.

It means I will always appreciate you people as people and respect you, and have compassion for you and wish well for you. I will consider you brothers of humanity and equals in creation till the end.

Yea but it is a disturbing sentence that depressed people make right before they do something to themselves or others. If that is not what you mean, please say so. Humans all over the world, including me have ups and downs in life. We do appreciate empathy and compassion too, even if we think your claims are not true and yes, we can be quite blunt about it. But we are also concerned with our fellow human regardless. 

My mom's friends are all Christians, and all of them knew how close I was to her and without exception all of them express concern about my mental well being. Even my atheists friends have as well. It is ok to feel down and depression is something many humans, including me go their entire lives coping with. It does not make you weak to lean on others when you feel bad. 

We do care about you. We do appreciate that you have not screamed at us like we deserve to be in prison or dead. You don't think in terms of tribalism even though we don't agree your god exists. But do yourself a favor, if you are feeling bad, find help, talk to friends outside of this board so you don't have to add more needless stress to yourself. Come back when you feel better. It is ok to take a break. But do let us know how you are doing.

There are times in life where all the bitching should be put aside, that sentence needs clarification right now so that we know you'll be ok. Are you mentally ok right now?

[Mystic]

It means I will always appreciate you people as people and respect you, and have compassion for you and wish well for you. I will consider you brothers of humanity and equals in creation till the end.

Are you mentally ok right now?

I am. Thank you. 

I have Atheist friends, and I appreciate them as friends as well.

If my parents were Atheists, I would love them and be close to them as well.

[Brian37]

Are you mentally ok right now?

I am. Thank you. 

I have Atheist friends, and I appreciate them as friends as well.

If my parents were Atheists, I would love them and be close to them as well.

Good. Try not to plop a farewell sentence like that on people like that. If you need to take a break and you are not thinking about calling it quits with your life, you need to make that clear and simple say "I need a break from this board". 

We promise we will be here and if you need anyone here to talk to you about non religious personal problems many here will be willing to do that. 

I can tell you several people here helped me through this past month. Stay safe and try to keep in mind, you can make it and don't be afraid to lean on others if you need to.

[Mr Greene]

I don't think you understand the words "sound" or "valid".

I use to be overwhelmed by denial of proofs of God by western Academia. I use to see people prove God but it always seem there must be an argument refuting them or something or when some supposedly refutes them, then they have been refuted.

It's sad that Moses told sound arguments for oneness of God and Pharaoh just argued by the falsehood and he won, despite Moses have clear miracles as well.

People sometimes choose a side of an argument with little regard to it's truth, but just need to hear conjecture from one side, against the other.

It's the reality. We all choose where we take our leap of faith. 

You want to believe these arguments don't prove God. But they do.

Prove Moses existed, the Jews lied.
You want to believe your arguments prove god, but they aren't even fully formed which makes it difficult to tell what you're trying to get at.

[Edwardo Piet]

Every time you love someone, you know they have an objective exact measurement

No that doesn't follow at all.