Trump Thinks Britian Is Spying On Him On Orders From Barrack Obama

[Alex K]

Rush, the only Canadian export I've bought.

They almost make up for the one-two punch of Celine Dion and Bryan Adams.

Almost.

Nothing wrong with Celine Dion or Bryan Adams.

I beg to differ...

[Cyberman]

Nothing wrong with Celine Dion or Bryan Adams.

I beg to differ...

No, it's true. They're perfectly fine.

It's when they open their mouths that the trouble starts.

[Anomalocaris]

I beg to differ...

No, it's true. They're perfectly fine.

It's when they open their mouths that the trouble starts.

No they are not. When they don't open their mouths they are still blighted by having their mouths to open.

[Brian37]

I beg to differ...

No, it's true. They're perfectly fine.

It's when they open their mouths that the trouble starts.

Um how? I wouldn't mistake their personal views on things like politics or economics as being the same as lacking talent. Agnetha Faltzkog of ABBA was, back then into astrology, but at the same time is still now a supporter of LGBT rights. I don't think her personal views take away from what ABBA accomplished while they were together. Bjorn of ABBA is an atheist. Lots of people back then and now think ABBA sucks, I don't. I like them as everyone here knows. 

Again, I hate the sound of Bob Dylan's voice. Other people like him. I wouldn't hang a Picasso on my wall or a Jackson Pollock either. Art is always subjective. I not liking the sound of Bob Dylan does not change the fact other people do like him.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Nothing wrong with Celine Dion or Bryan Adams. The layperson music fan doesn't really seem to understand that most famous musicians/artists/singers are not monochromatic in their musical tastes like their fans.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Dion and Adams both specialize in MoR formula pabulum. I can see how you wouldn't mind it; you're an ABBA fan, after all.

I still like RUSH but looking back at their lyrics, they don't strike me as rebels but more like trust fund rockers with a libertarian bent. Same with AC/DC, their guitarist is dressed up in a prep school outfit, hardly a motif reflecting the worker.

"Trust-fund rockers"? What does that mean?

I like RUSH and AC/DC and ABBA and Metallica and Manhattan Transfer, Michael Franks, Paula Abdul, Pat Benatar, Weird Al. So some people like Celine Dion and Bryan Adams? If they sucked so bad they would not be famous or sell albums. Not liking something at that level only means you don't like it.

No shit, Sherlock. I'm expressing my opinion.

I have never understood why people like Bob Dylan. I can't stand his voice. But again, that is just me and that is the point. Art is merely that which works, and by proxy of his success, he works for many. Just like ABBA. Just like rap, country, thrash metal, jazz, pop. Just like paintings and poetry. Art is subjective.

I'd suggest that Dylan's songs resonate not for the timbre of his voice, but rather the emotional impact of his lyrics. And for people who pay attention to that sort of thing, it works. His voice, with its imperfections, does much to convey the emotion of his lyrics.

[Brian37]

Nothing wrong with Celine Dion or Bryan Adams. The layperson music fan doesn't really seem to understand that most famous musicians/artists/singers are not monochromatic in their musical tastes like their fans.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Dion and Adams both specialize in MoR formula pabulum. I can see how you wouldn't mind it; you're an ABBA fan, after all.

I still like RUSH but looking back at their lyrics, they don't strike me as rebels but more like trust fund rockers with a libertarian bent. Same with AC/DC, their guitarist is dressed up in a prep school outfit, hardly a motif reflecting the worker.

"Trust-fund rockers"? What does that mean?

I like RUSH and AC/DC and ABBA and Metallica and Manhattan Transfer, Michael Franks, Paula Abdul, Pat Benatar, Weird Al. So some people like Celine Dion and Bryan Adams? If they sucked so bad they would not be famous or sell albums. Not liking something at that level only means you don't like it.

No shit, Sherlock. I'm expressing my opinion.

I have never understood why people like Bob Dylan. I can't stand his voice. But again, that is just me and that is the point. Art is merely that which works, and by proxy of his success, he works for many. Just like ABBA. Just like rap, country, thrash metal, jazz, pop. Just like paintings and poetry. Art is subjective.

I'd suggest that Dylan's songs resonate not for the timbre of his voice, but rather the emotional impact of his lyrics. And for people who pay attention to that sort of thing, it works. His voice, with its imperfections, does much to convey the emotion of his lyrics.

Tom Sawyer t"he gets by on you", and "mean mean pride" kinda negates the other line "don't put him down as arrogant".

Red Barchetta 

"My Uncle Has a country place
No one knows about" implying his family or at least his extended family is well off.

Barchehettas are two seater sports cars. Teen boys certainly can have an affinity to those things, I did at one time, but I also came from the suburbs and my family was middle class. Those lines in that song do not strike me as a poor family or even middle class family in desperation.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Tom Sawyer t"he gets by on you", and "mean mean pride" kinda negates the other line "don't put him down as arrogant".

Red Barchetta 

"My Uncle Has a country place
No one knows about" implying his family or at least his extended family is well off.

lol, you realize that the latter is set a few hundred years in the future, and is not autobiographical?

Barchehettas are two seater sports cars. Teen boys certainly can have an affinity to those things, I did at one time, but I also came from the suburbs and my family was middle class. Those lines in that song do not strike me as a poor family or even middle class family in desperation.

None of them came from wealth; they were all three born into middle-class families. And their lyrics, written by Neil Peart, do often espouse libertarian views, but that hardly means that 1) their oeuvre has an agenda pushing upper-class concerns, or 2) your interpretation of a couple of isolated lines is apt.

You might want to learn a little bit before opining. You're not doing yourself any favors.

[Cyberman]

No, it's true. They're perfectly fine.

It's when they open their mouths that the trouble starts.

Um how? I wouldn't mistake their personal views on things like politics or economics as being the same as lacking talent. Agnetha Faltzkog of ABBA was, back then into astrology, but at the same time is still now a supporter of LGBT rights. I don't think her personal views take away from what ABBA accomplished while they were together. Bjorn of ABBA is an atheist. Lots of people back then and now think ABBA sucks, I don't. I like them as everyone here knows. 

Again, I hate the sound of Bob Dylan's voice. Other people like him. I wouldn't hang a Picasso on my wall or a Jackson Pollock either. Art is always subjective. I not liking the sound of Bob Dylan does not change the fact other people do like him.

It was a fucking joke. Please wind your neck back in.

[Brian37]

Tom Sawyer t"he gets by on you", and "mean mean pride" kinda negates the other line "don't put him down as arrogant".

Red Barchetta 

"My Uncle Has a country place
No one knows about" implying his family or at least his extended family is well off.

lol, you realize that the latter is set a few hundred years in the future, and is not autobiographical?

Barchehettas are two seater sports cars. Teen boys certainly can have an affinity to those things, I did at one time, but I also came from the suburbs and my family was middle class. Those lines in that song do not strike me as a poor family or even middle class family in desperation.

None of them came from wealth; they were all three born into middle-class families. And their lyrics, written by Neil Peart, do often espouse libertarian views, but that hardly means that 1) their oeuvre has an agenda pushing upper-class concerns, or 2) your interpretation of a couple of isolated lines is apt.

You might want to learn a little bit before opining. You're not doing yourself any favors.

I never claimed they came from say a Trump level income. You can be middle class and a trust fund kid. I am a trust fund kid. Even with suburban kids like me. I went to private school as a kid until high school. My parents had two houses until my dad died in 1980. My dad drove a Mercedes. We had a 30 foot sailboat.  My uncle lived in Half Moon Bay on a very expensive street outside San Fran. My parents provided well for me but they were not filthy rich. My mom was a grade school teacher and my dad was a high school biology teacher. Hardly rich, but certainly middle class.

Yes their lyrics do portray libertarian views. Thanks for proving my point. I don't see either republican or libertarian economic views as helping either the middle class or poor. I don't care if they did come from the middle class like me. Libertarians to me get the social issues right, but as far as economics they to me are really nothing but republicans on steroids. 

As far as Dylan. While I cannot stand his voice, his lyrics do convey empathy for others to a great degree, a social awareness of others. RUSH simply comes across as selling to those who daydream about having fun. I do still like RUSH but I don't see their lyrics the same way I did when I first started listening to them.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I never claimed they came from say a Trump level income.

... and I never said that you had.

You can be middle class and a trust fund kid. I am a trust fund kid. Even with suburban kids like me. I went to private school as a kid until high school. My parents had two houses until my dad died in 1980. My dad drove a Mercedes. We had a 30 foot sailboat.  My uncle lived in Half Moon Bay on a very expensive street outside San Fran. My parents provided well for me but they were not filthy rich. My mom was a grade school teacher and my dad was a high school biology teacher. Hardly rich, but certainly middle class.

The irony of you complaining about their alleged silver-spoon lives when they didn't have any of these things you admit to having is funny as hell.

Yes their lyrics do portray libertarian views. Thanks for proving my point. I don't see either republican or libertarian economic views as helping either the middle class or poor. I don't care if they did come from the middle class like me. Libertarians to me get the social issues right, but as far as economics they to me are really nothing but republicans on steroids. 

You don't know what lyrics of their espouse what values that coincide with Libertarian values, though. Hint: it's not the economy, stupid.

As far as Dylan. While I cannot stand his voice, his lyrics do convey empathy for others to a great degree, a social awareness of others. RUSH simply comes across as selling to those who daydream about having fun. I do still like RUSH but I don't see their lyrics the same way I did when I first started listening to them.

You're clearly ignorant of their body of work. You'd have been better off simply saying "I don't like them" and leaving it at that.

Stick to ABBA. It's more your speed.