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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 11:01 am
(April 20, 2017 at 10:55 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 10:50 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I have other dreams; believe it or not God answers the prayers.
Einstein wasn't an atheist. Newton was a theist. So many physicists believe in an order; a certain law the universe has, it didn't need to be this organized, things could've been more messy.
Really? Things could have been more "messy"? How did you arrive at this?
Things "fit" together.
There is a pattern: for positive, there is negative.
Just imagine if this concept never existed. It would be a "messy" environment.
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 11:38 am
(April 20, 2017 at 11:01 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 10:55 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Really? Things could have been more "messy"? How did you arrive at this?
Things "fit" together.
There is a pattern: for positive, there is negative.
Just imagine if this concept never existed. It would be a "messy" environment.
Why do you think it could have been any different?
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 11:45 am
"Validation" is a good word...
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 12:06 pm
(April 20, 2017 at 11:01 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 10:55 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Really? Things could have been more "messy"? How did you arrive at this?
Things "fit" together.
There is a pattern: for positive, there is negative.
Just imagine if this concept never existed. It would be a "messy" environment.
Mere mental masturbation is not science, labs are where scientific method lead us to knowledge.
Reality is messy, QM and entropy prove that. The "order" we use to make more accurate observations confirmed over long periods of time we call the language of science.
"positive and negative" you are using in layperson's terms and is as useless as the Asian mythology of "yin and yang".
In a science lab through quantum mechanics the terms "positive" and negative" refer to either the charge or or position of a particle. Neutrons have no charge. Neutrinos have no mass. So neither can be considered either or. "Neut" part of both words means "neutral" neither having a positive or negative.
In scientific language it isn't left vs right or up vs down or something vs nothing or chaos vs order. In real science it is math that can give us the point of view at the time of observation depending on the context and subject of the experiment.
Black hole is a very ordered system, but also creates a mess to anything it sucks in. Hurricanes are also an ordered system that also creates a mess to anything it runs into/over. Some atoms are more stable than others, some combos of atoms are more stable and some less stable, and depending on what chemical reaction we are talking about, some are more suddenly volatile and other combos take longer to break down.
Scientific method gives us order to our observations, but reality is also what science describes in our messy reality. Your poop is messy and nasty to smell and look at, but also a natural product of an ordered system.
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 3:27 pm
(April 20, 2017 at 11:38 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 11:01 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Things "fit" together.
There is a pattern: for positive, there is negative.
Just imagine if this concept never existed. It would be a "messy" environment.
Why do you think it could have been any different?
Because I can think about that different scenario.
If it exists as an electrical pulse in my brain, why wouldn't it exist in reality? isn't that the concept of 3D printers?
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Our mental limitations give "messy" a meaning; if we have more brain cells nothing would be messy, we exist with this brain though.
If things can be assembled together, then they're not messy.
The negative is the antonym of the positive. If both didn't exist, then the neutral would not exist also. That's like saying that T.V don't exist because pets can't understand what it is.
We understood the positive and negative through science, or in other words "we proved their existence", that's all.
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 3:45 pm
(April 20, 2017 at 3:27 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 11:38 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Why do you think it could have been any different?
Because I can think about that different scenario.
If it exists as an electrical pulse in my brain, why wouldn't it exist in reality? isn't that the concept of 3D printers?
No.
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 3:49 pm
(April 20, 2017 at 3:45 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 3:27 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Because I can think about that different scenario.
If it exists as an electrical pulse in my brain, why wouldn't it exist in reality? isn't that the concept of 3D printers?
No.
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 5:01 pm
(April 20, 2017 at 3:27 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 11:38 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Why do you think it could have been any different?
Because I can think about that different scenario.
If it exists as an electrical pulse in my brain, why wouldn't it exist in reality? isn't that the concept of 3D printers?
Gawdzilla Sama
It is !
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Our mental limitations give "messy" a meaning; if we have more brain cells nothing would be messy, we exist with this brain though.
If things can be assembled together, then they're not messy.
The negative is the antonym of the positive. If both didn't exist, then the neutral would not exist also. That's like saying that T.V don't exist because pets can't understand what it is.
We understood the positive and negative through science, or in other words "we proved their existence", that's all.
No, we don't exist with our brains, we are our brains in motion.
Scientists prove the existence of those particles, and their methods were NEUTRAL and not pointing to any god or any club.
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RE: The void
April 20, 2017 at 5:09 pm
You're making me sad for you, Atlas. Something existing in your brain/imagination in no way implies that the thing you're dreaming of exists or can exist in reality. A thousand times no. There are lots of things you can make with a 3D printer and an infinite number of imaginable things that can never be made real with a 3D printer or with anything else.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The void
April 21, 2017 at 8:40 am
(April 20, 2017 at 3:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 20, 2017 at 3:45 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: No.
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