The Bible and slavery

[Epimethean]

O Bother, There Art Thou.

[Nick_A]

Okay, so the bible was saying that we should obey our earthly masters, our earthly masters being the fun of basking in negativity?

Yes. Beginning to "Know Thyself" requires the conscious experience of our former blind reactions.

[Epimethean]

When do you intend to try that, Nick? We're waiting.

[Nick_A]

When do you intend to try that, Nick? We're waiting.

Why worry about me? You have a choice. You can either blindly deny or make the efforts at self knowledge to verify. You've chosen blind denial. You've made your choice.

[The Grand Nudger]

So, the verse from Eph has become "know thyself"?

I think you have the bible confused with the pranaos of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi.

[Faith No More]

FaithNoMore, you speak of Christians doing this or that but have you ever met a Christian? My gut feeling is that you have only associated with representatives of various expressions of Christendom or man made Christianity.

Of course you would think that, because otherwise, why would I have such an opinion on Christianity? Turns out, my parents are Christian. We very rarely have religious conversations, but they never try to dress up their religion in the manner that so many Christians do.

Also, man made Christianity is all there is.

A Christian is one who follows the precepts of Christ. A Pre-Christian is one who is attracted to Christianity but unable to be one. A non-Christian simply doesn't care.

Why is it that non-Christians don't care? We can be just as kind and forgiving as the best Christian, the only difference is we don't feel the need to follow the bible to be a good person. We care, we just don't care about being labeled a follower of Christ.

Would you say an MD is someone declaring themselves a doctor? No, we would agree that an MD is able to be one. A pre-doctor or student of medicine is not able to be one yet, and a non doctor doesn't care. It is the same idea.

Except in this case, there are plenty of people walking around with "MD's" that you would dismiss because they don't meet your vision of what a "doctor" is.

Why worry about me? You have a choice. You can either blindly deny or make the efforts at self knowledge to verify. You've chosen blind denial. You've made your choice.

Perhaps the biggest fault of Christians is the belief that self-knowledge requires Christianity.

[Epimethean]

And in this particular case, the only true christian seems to be one who thinks he is such a thing.


Cogito christianus ergo christianus sum, sed putas te christianum esse, ergo non christianus sis.

[Judas BentHer]

You are confusing Christendom with Christianity. It is an understandable mistake but a mistake just the same. Actually it was the imposition of the Hebrew God on Christianity as well as Rome imposing Christianity on the empire that created such a quick devolution of Christianity into Christendom within society.

No, no confusion whatsoever. You're citing an archaic out of date term, "Christendom", that use to apply when describing Christianity. Now Christendom simply refers to the whole community that practices Christianity. You can not assume your position, as stated above, and use the Bible as a platform for support of that claim.

Basically, you're talking through your hat.

Yeshu never created a faith called Christianity. Rome did. So as to blanket the world with their creation of a false savior of the world, who's origins life death and resurrection led slaves to be obedient unto their earthly masters while living in the faith they were saved in spirit for an after life that would free them of their bonds. As such it was Rome's intent to rule the Jews by taking their Messianic myth into Roman control and then creating their own compilation from pagan myths so as to insure Roman influence and authority continued to rule the worlds people and expand in it's conquest of new territories, long after the Legion was dust.

Yeshu was a radical Rabbi who was murdered on the eve of Passover for the crime of blasphemy. He and his fellows were hung. Which means crucified. They died, never to rise from the grave again. Yeshu did not come to create a religion he came to teach what can be described as Autotheism. No sect known today, whether referred to in archaic out of date terms or Christianity itself was ever orchestrated or "founded" by Yeshu. Nor did he intend religion to spring from his teachings.

There were no scribes taking down his teachings, no creeds, no absolute doctrines related to it. Those books now on the market such as, the gospel of Judas, the gospel of Thomas, etc... arrived long after Yeshu and his fellows were dead.

They're related to the contrivance of Gnostics and evidence of that is all scripture contained therein refer to Yeshu by his Greek name, Jesus. No Jew, no member of an Essene sect, would have ever been named in the Greek. Whereas in the early Roman era of the early Christian church Latin was spoken to the peasant class during the sermons. While the elite class was afforded the homily in the language reserved for kings; Greek. Hence the Roman tradition affording their false prophet to bear the name, Jesus.

[Cinjin]

Why worry about me? You have a choice. You can either blindly deny or make the efforts at self knowledge to verify. You've chosen blind denial. You've made your choice.

Perhaps the biggest fault of Christians is the belief that self-knowledge requires Christianity.

I would say that's more than fair to say. Clearly little Nicky there believes that the rest of us can't "know thyself" nor can we understand the nature of our existence because we haven't chosen to see his brand of "truth". Thus his ridiculous remark about us choosing blind denial.

Ridiculous because of the very fact that when one chooses to deny something it means that they have indeed seen it, analyzed it and made a choice to deny it. There's nothing blind about that. A conscious decision was made. All this existential bullshit that you're attaching to your argument is nothing more than the same old tired rhetoric I've been hearing for years from christians who want to attempt to turn their stupid religion into some kind of quest for a higher consciousness. It's bull shit. In the end you're still trying to sell that ancient book of yours and your silly godboy to the rest of the world - and probably yourself.

Talk about being blind.

[Epimethean]

It's the old "You can't HANDLE the truth" saw, but without Jack to deliver the line.