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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 20, 2017 at 8:06 pm
(June 20, 2017 at 3:59 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (June 20, 2017 at 3:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: He has an idea or two that I don't disparage, but his behavior throughout the campaign called the parallels to my mind immediately and certainly influenced my decision to not vote for him. Of course, I've spent a bit of time reading up on the Third Reich over the last forty years.
History is definitely a useful study, and I sure wish more people engaged in it, lest they opt to "gamble" their vote chasing a siren song of rhetoric designed to put them off from rational thinking.
For what it's worth, I think every vote for Trump was a stupid one. Who in their right mind believes a "populist" billionaire? Who in their right mind chalks race-baiting and appeals to xenophobia up to politicking? Those were your warning signs, and you ignored them.
And don't forget the obvious calls for violence against protestors at his rallies, intimating he'd cover their legal costs. There should be a legal consequence for that alone. If shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre is irresponsible as well as illegal, how much more so was what Trump did again and again during the election. That too was solid evidence that the man lacked judgement.
It would be great if everyone would learn from history but those of us who have lived through more of it have an advantage there. Everyone makes mistakes but good for recognizing one and learning from it, wallym.
I'll add that he says shit and then immediately denies he ever said it, with video footage to prove he did say it. He's so far out there that it only makes him mad, and he bitches about "The media reporting what he says", FFS. Try that with your Significant Other or work supervisor sometime, and see what results.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 20, 2017 at 11:37 pm
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(June 20, 2017 at 5:35 pm)wallym Wrote: (June 20, 2017 at 3:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: He has an idea or two that I don't disparage, but his behavior throughout the campaign called the parallels to my mind immediately and certainly influenced my decision to not vote for him. Of course, I've spent a bit of time reading up on the Third Reich over the last forty years.
History is definitely a useful study, and I sure wish more people engaged in it, lest they opt to "gamble" their vote chasing a siren song of rhetoric designed to put them off from rational thinking.
For what it's worth, I think every vote for Trump was a stupid one. Who in their right mind believes a "populist" billionaire? Who in their right mind chalks race-baiting and appeals to xenophobia up to politicking? Those were your warning signs, and you ignored them.
I think a nationalist billionaire is believable. And it's a tough question on who's more likely to be a populist. Obviously Bernie was the guy. But the Obama's and Clinton's weren't obscenely wealthy coming into the presidency. They made/will make their cash after the fact. Their future wealth is tied almost entirely to post presidential 'donations'.
Is it a wink and a nod from Goldman Sachs that they'll hook you up with the 250k speaking deals when you're done being President? Is that different than giving you the 250k before you're President, if it's implied?
I wrote "populist" billionaire, not "nationalist" billionaire. I'll give you time to put 'er in reverse and quit trying to be a bullshit artist.
Clock starts now. Get to work.
The rest of your flailing does not merit my attention, given that it's simply an attempt to distract readers. I ain't biting. Address what is being said and quit the dogshit, seriously.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 20, 2017 at 11:44 pm
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(June 20, 2017 at 5:35 pm)wallym Wrote: I think a nationalist billionaire is believable. And it's a tough question on who's more likely to be a populist. Obviously Bernie was the guy. But the Obama's and Clinton's weren't obscenely wealthy coming into the presidency. They made/will make their cash after the fact. Their future wealth is tied almost entirely to post presidential 'donations'.
Is it a wink and a nod from Goldman Sachs that they'll hook you up with the 250k speaking deals when you're done being President? Is that different than giving you the 250k before you're President, if it's implied? Actually yeah, it is. One is a blatant attempt to buy a politician, the other is a blatant attempt to buy credibility. You might want to take a closer look at how trump became wealthy, as well, because it's looking like he just wasn't..before he got elected. See for the rest of us, owing as much as we possess is called being broke. Trump is, maybe, worth 1.4 billion (what a sad loser compared to his own estimates of his own worth), with liabilities of around 500million...but 600million of that was made since he begin campaigning. Probably just a coincidence.
I'm sure people would totally use his hotels and buy his merch if he weren't the president, especially foreign dignitaries. Raytheon stock would have went up even if he hadn't been granted the authority to fire those missiles. The multiple suits against his for-profit presidency are obviously all just fake news, like the hitler stuff.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 12:07 am
(June 20, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (June 20, 2017 at 5:35 pm)wallym Wrote: I think a nationalist billionaire is believable. And it's a tough question on who's more likely to be a populist. Obviously Bernie was the guy. But the Obama's and Clinton's weren't obscenely wealthy coming into the presidency. They made/will make their cash after the fact. Their future wealth is tied almost entirely to post presidential 'donations'.
Is it a wink and a nod from Goldman Sachs that they'll hook you up with the 250k speaking deals when you're done being President? Is that different than giving you the 250k before you're President, if it's implied?
I wrote "populist" billionaire, not "nationalist" billionaire. I'll give you time to put 'er in reverse and quit trying to be a bullshit artist.
Clock starts now. Get to work.
The rest of your flailing does not merit my attention, given that it's simply an attempt to distract readers. I ain't biting. Address what is being said and quit the dogshit, seriously.
I wasn't disagreeing with you on Trump being believable as a populist. I was saying I think he's believable as a nationalist, which I think is as close to acting in my interests as we're going to get. And then I was saying Bernie aside, I think betwen a billionaire or globalists who take a bunch of money from billionaires, I'm not sure who would be closer to populism.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 12:23 am
(June 21, 2017 at 12:07 am)wallym Wrote: (June 20, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I wrote "populist" billionaire, not "nationalist" billionaire. I'll give you time to put 'er in reverse and quit trying to be a bullshit artist.
Clock starts now. Get to work.
The rest of your flailing does not merit my attention, given that it's simply an attempt to distract readers. I ain't biting. Address what is being said and quit the dogshit, seriously.
I wasn't disagreeing with you on Trump being believable as a populist. I was saying I think he's believable as a nationalist, which I think is as close to acting in my interests as we're going to get. And then I was saying Bernie aside, I think betwen a billionaire or globalists who take a bunch of money from billionaires, I'm not sure who would be closer to populism.
At least with Bernie you are better off than what we have now id take FDR 2.0 over George Bush 2.0
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 12:32 am
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 1:01 am
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(June 21, 2017 at 12:07 am)wallym Wrote: (June 20, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I wrote "populist" billionaire, not "nationalist" billionaire. I'll give you time to put 'er in reverse and quit trying to be a bullshit artist.
Clock starts now. Get to work.
The rest of your flailing does not merit my attention, given that it's simply an attempt to distract readers. I ain't biting. Address what is being said and quit the dogshit, seriously.
I wasn't disagreeing with you on Trump being believable as a populist. I was saying I think he's believable as a nationalist, Really, a multinational corporatist whore..believable as some sort of america first candidate, rather than the sad russian moneypuppet that he is? Somehow, I remain unconvinced. In any case, hows he been going for america of late? You feeling great again, I know I am.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 6:23 am
Trump's only loyalty is to himself.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 8:36 am
(June 19, 2017 at 8:05 pm)wallym Wrote: (June 19, 2017 at 7:42 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Yup, that's it, that's all..and there's nothing more to add. No there's so much more. Both had opinions on immigration. Not very often you find that. Trump wants to deport people in America illegally. Just like Hitler wanted them dead. Eerily similar how they both wanted to do things to people.
And they both were saying that they wanted to put the country they were in charge of first. Usually world leaders are looking to put their country 6th at most. Usually, 11th or 12th. So already it stands out. And the fact Trump wants to renegotiate trade deals, just like Hitler wanted to invade and conquer the world makes me glad Hitler had a mustache so I could tell them apart.
And if you don't think a temporary travel ban against Muslims from 5 muslim countries is just like rounding up a few million jews and killing them, then you'd have to have your head in the sand.
It's all so obvious. I take it all back. I'm convinced. Trump really is just like Hitler. Holy shit, both have 5 letters in their name, except Hitler has an extra one at the end. The evidence becomes more incontrovertible!!!
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 21, 2017 at 9:23 am
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(June 21, 2017 at 6:23 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Trump's only loyalty is to himself.
Fine. I'm hoping there's some overlap.
(June 21, 2017 at 1:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: (June 21, 2017 at 12:07 am)wallym Wrote: I wasn't disagreeing with you on Trump being believable as a populist. I was saying I think he's believable as a nationalist, Really, a multinational corporatist whore..believable as some sort of america first candidate, rather than the sad russian moneypuppet that he is? Somehow, I remain unconvinced. In any case, hows he been going for america of late? You feeling great again, I know I am.
Fun Tangent. I thought Russia's part in the 2016 election, the DNC hack, was good for America. How's that for a hot take. I'm glad they did it to the DNC. And I hope they're able to do it to the RNC. The information was incredibly valuable to the american people, I thought.
Really, it was no different than someone secretly taping Romney's 47% speech in terms of effect. People shouldn't be secretly taping other folks, but having that information out there is more important than their privacy when it comes to campaigns, I think.
Ideally, we'd get some transparency from someone in America, but you take what you can get.
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