Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him

[Mister Agenda]

A good rule of thumb to avoid straw-manning that I've recently heard is that you should be able to state the other person position in a way that they would agree with.

[Jackalope]

A good rule of thumb to avoid straw-manning that I've recently heard is that you should be able to state the other person position in a way that they would agree with.

That promotes understanding and honest discourse as well, things frequently missing.

I personally am completely uninterested in giving someone the time of day if they are unwilling or unable to reasonably accurately represent my position.

[henryp]

A good rule of thumb to avoid straw-manning that I've recently heard is that you should be able to state the other person position in a way that they would agree with.

With Reductio Ad Absurdum, the point is to draw a conclusion using their reasoning that is something they would never agree with.

I'm not sure how you reconcile that with what you are saying.

[Whateverist]

The important difference is making sure you understand the other person's position accurately to begin with. Starting with something else, is straw-manning.

[Mister Agenda]

If you can't articulate my position in terms I can agree with, you obviously either don't understand it or are trolling me. The reduction ad absurdum argument comes AFTER you accurately represent my position.

[henryp]

The important difference is making sure you understand the other person's position accurately to begin with.  Starting with something else, is straw-manning.

What I thought happened in this thread grossly over simplified:

Cows are the tallest animals in the world
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Strawman!

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If you can't articulate my position in terms I can agree with, you obviously either don't understand it or are trolling me. The reduction ad absurdum argument comes AFTER you accurately represent my position.

I'm not sure some of the positions in this thread could be accurately represented and agreed with at the same time.

[The Grand Nudger]

Fun Tangent.  I thought Russia's part in the 2016 election, the DNC hack, was good for America.  How's that for a hot take.  I'm glad they did it to the DNC.  And I hope they're able to do it to the RNC.  The information was incredibly valuable to the american people, I thought.  

It seems as though we might be looking at a string of unfortunate political opinions, rather than a one off blonde moment.  

It's never good when a foreign country actively and intentionally ratfucks an election.  The us has a long history here and no one should know that better than us.  Think of all the little shitholes we did that to.  How's it going for them, today?   

Really, it was no different than someone secretly taping Romney's 47% speech in terms of effect.   People shouldn't be secretly taping other folks, but having that information out there is more important than their privacy when it comes to campaigns, I think.

Meh, it was just confirmation of what everything about Romney already made clear.  Had he never said it, let alone never been taped syaing it, he was already the kind of dirtball who would say it.  Case in point..no one was surprised that he said it.  That wasn't "the problem".  The problem was getting caught being super-duper dumb.  Everyone knows you don't say shit like that - and you don't have to, because you can just blow the dog whistle and every mutt in the kennel will hear it all the same.    

Ideally, we'd get some transparency from someone in America, but you take what you can get.

Agreed, but you didn't get transparency.  You got espionage and subversive foreign propaganda, so what's the relevance?

You are expressing gratitude, up above, for an act of espionage with no intent other than to erode our very system of government.   So, I have to ask.  If it turned out that trump was a literal manchurian candidate..would you thank putin for gifting him to you as well? Are you one of those trumpsters that cast your vote to see the country burn..because I thought you told us that you were some kind of nationalist? Maybe you meant that what the US needed was some russian nationalism, and I misunderstood.

I have serious reservations about the future of a country in which the #alternative patriots putting america first are willing to go 8 for 10 on the hitler scale -and- thank the fucking russians for handing them a common grifter as POTUS.

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What I thought happened in this thread grossly over simplified:

Cows are the tallest animals in the world
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Strawman!

Strawception.

I'm not sure some of the positions in this thread could be accurately represented and agreed with at the same time.

OFC they can be, as demonstrated by the fact that people are managing to accurately represent each others positions, in thread.  You're just not one of those people.

[Whateverist]

The important difference is making sure you understand the other person's position accurately to begin with.  Starting with something else, is straw-manning.

What I thought happened in this thread grossly over simplified:

Cows are the tallest animals in the world
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Strawman!

Got to help me follow what you're saying here. Are you suggesting the "Cows are the tallest animals in the world" statement is akin to saying "there are important parallels between Trump and Hitler"?

If so, then you must mean for "--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?" to correspond to your protesting that Hitler is actually much worse.

Hmmm

This works better if we adjust the first statement like this:

"Cows are the tallest bovine animals in the world
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Straw man!"

Or, if we make "tallness" substitute for "awfulness" ("evil" if you prefer), then I think we get an even better reflection of the exchange that has gone on in this thread:

"Cows are the tallest animals in America.
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Straw man!"

Which corresponds more closely to our actual exchange which was more like:

Trump comes closer to being like Hitler than any president we've ever had.
--So you're saying Trump is more like Hitler than Hitler himself?
Derp. Straw man.

[henryp]

What I thought happened in this thread grossly over simplified:

Cows are the tallest animals in the world
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Strawman!

Got to help me follow what you're saying here.  Are you suggesting the "Cows are the tallest animals in the world" statement is akin to saying "there are important parallels between Trump and Hitler"?

If so, then you must mean for  "--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?" to correspond to your protesting that Hitler is actually much worse.

Hmmm

This works better if we adjust the first statement like this:

"Cows are the tallest bovine animals in the world
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Straw man!"

Or, if we make "tallness" substitute for "awfulness" ("evil" if you prefer), then I think we get an even better reflection of the exchange that has gone on in this thread:

"Cows are the tallest animals in America.
--So you're saying Cows are taller than Giraffes?
Nobody is saying Cows are taller than Giraffes!  Straw man!"

Which corresponds more closely to our actual exchange which was more like:

Trump comes closer to being like Hitler than any president we've ever had.
--So you're saying Trump is more like Hitler than Hitler himself?
Derp.  Straw man.

The thing I remember from our exchange in this thread, is that you kept saying nobody was saying something immediately after Khemical said exactly what you said nobody was saying.  

And there are Giraffes in America!

How about this: Cows are tall just like Giraffes?

[Whateverist]

I think his hyperbole went unappreciated. I guess you're still dug in like tick to defend your past mistakes. Good luck.