Potential candidates in 2020

[Minimalist]

I think you get a big "YES" on that one.

[Court Jester]

No. He just get's one more. I would have actually liked to see Ben Carson win and would still like to see him run in 2024, but he's a bit too calm for voters I think.

Seriously? You would like as your president the man who said - in public, no less - that the Gizeh pyramids were built as grain silos?

What are you, fucking stupid?

Boru

Of the choices, I'll take stupid over slave. I haven't seen a democrat worth voting for. Though I am pro gun, anti Obama care, anti life long term welfare, anti open boarder, anti union, anti "free" college, anti global warming belief, etc.
surly the minority on here.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Seriously?  You would like as your president the man who said - in public, no less - that the Gizeh pyramids were built as grain silos?

What are you, fucking stupid?

Boru

Of the choices, I'll take stupid over slave. I haven't seen a democrat worth voting for. Though I am pro gun, anti Obama care, anti life long term welfare, anti open boarder, anti union, anti "free" college, anti global warming belief, etc.
surly the minority on here.

No one's asking you to vote for a democrat, but Carson is (outside of his speciality, in which is seems to be brilliant) a complete and utter boob. I might trust Carson to take my child's head apart and put it back together, but I'm not sure I'd trust him to teach that child anything.

Boru

[Minimalist]

Smoked out another one.

Scooby, is that you back for another round?

[Brian37]

Seriously?  You would like as your president the man who said - in public, no less - that the Gizeh pyramids were built as grain silos?

What are you, fucking stupid?

Boru

Of the choices, I'll take stupid over slave. I haven't seen a democrat worth voting for. Though I am pro gun, anti Obama care, anti life long term welfare, anti open boarder, anti union, anti "free" college, anti global warming belief, etc.
surly the minority on here.

What makes you think all liberals want to ban all firearms, that is simply a fucking lie.

All of our allies in the west have far better health care systems. You favor fucking over the poor and elderly and vets? Nice.

Don't say anti open boarder, just admit your bullshit bigotry. Dont hand me any fucking crap, that if you were fleeing starvation and had a family yourself you wouldn't make the attempt to go where the resources are. FYI MORON, I have two Hispanic families living on both sides of me, they've lived here for 10 years and not one lick of trouble from them. I could give one fuck less what there legal status is, they are HUMAN BEINGS FIRST to me. In my 50 years I have run into far more trouble with people born here than I have from any migrant. 

Anti Welfare? GREAT, then you can start by realizing the real welfare queens are corporate America. Who the fuck do you think has to make up for what they don't pay? WE DO DUMBASS. That lack of revenue from the rich adds up over time and is why we end up crashes like Bush Jr gave us.

Anti union? Hey idiot, prior to the great depression there were no unions, after WW2 unions helped build the middle class. Unions kept wages up. Reagan started busting unions and the pay gap has exploded since and wages have not been keeping up with the cost of living.

Anti free college? So you want to live in a fucking stupid society? You like knowing it can take up to 15 to 20 years to pay off a college loan? You fucking talk about hating slavery but it seems you love the idea of indentured slavery.

Anti global warming? That right there is the worst bullshit denial out of your pile of tripe list. Climate change is fact and idiots like you who deny it are a danger to our planet and species.

Yes, you most certainly are a minority here, most of us don't have our heads up our ass like you.

[Court Jester]

Hahaha

[The Industrial Atheist]

Carson wasn't sure he was fit to be head of HUD. Yet someone thinks he should be president. SMDH! He's about as unqualified as Trump. That (and the fact that he's not that smart) is why Trump gets his briefings on 1 or 2 pages with bullet points. Why not just nominate anybody that was good at their job? (although Trump wasn't)
How about Orthopedic Surgeons? Pro Athletes? Wal Mart Managers? Little Caesars Managers? Head Chefs? Pro Basketball Coaches? Pro Football Coaches? Pro Golf Trainers?
Pro Bodybuilders? Pro Wrestlers? how many more people whose only professions don't qualify them for politics can we get into politics.
SMDFH!

[Court Jester]

Of the choices, I'll take stupid over slave. I haven't seen a democrat worth voting for. Though I am pro gun, anti Obama care, anti life long term welfare, anti open boarder, anti union, anti "free" college, anti global warming belief, etc.
surly the minority on here.

What makes you think all liberals want to ban all firearms, that is simply a fucking lie.

All of our allies in the west have far better health care systems. You favor fucking over the poor and elderly and vets? Nice.

Don't say anti open boarder, just admit your bullshit bigotry. Dont hand me any fucking crap, that if you were fleeing starvation and had a family yourself you wouldn't make the attempt to go where the resources are. FYI MORON, I have two Hispanic families living on both sides of me, they've lived here for 10 years and not one lick of trouble from them. I could give one fuck less what there legal status is, they are HUMAN BEINGS FIRST to me. In my 50 years I have run into far more trouble with people born here than I have from any migrant. 

Anti Welfare? GREAT, then you can start by realizing the real welfare queens are corporate America. Who the fuck do you think has to make up for what they don't pay? WE DO DUMBASS. That lack of revenue from the rich adds up over time and is why we end up crashes like Bush Jr gave us.

Anti union? Hey idiot, prior to the great depression there were no unions, after WW2 unions helped build the middle class. Unions kept wages up. Reagan started busting unions and the pay gap has exploded since and wages have not been keeping up with the cost of living.

Anti free college? So you want to live in a fucking stupid society? You like knowing it can take up to 15 to 20 years to pay off a college loan? You fucking talk about hating slavery but it seems you love the idea of indentured slavery.

Anti global warming? That right there is the worst bullshit denial out of your pile of tripe list. Climate change is fact and idiots like you who deny it are a danger to our planet and species.

Yes, you most certainly are a minority here, most of us don't have our heads up our ass like you.

Well more liberals want to reduce firearms than conservatives, so that's where I base my choice on that.

I don't favor dicking over the poor on healthcare. I favor fixing the problem. Other countries have better healthcare because they don't charge $200 for a bandaid or $700 just to be admired to the emergency room. That's before they do anything. Hell, it's $100,000+ for a few pills for cancer that may not cure you. Open your eyes. I'm all for better, but I have a wider focus than to pay higher taxes to a screwed up system. Fix the root cause of the issue before you just fork over the money.

You're not the first person to call me a racist or a bigot because I want the borders locked down or just because you heard that I support trump. Narrow minded people always think that before they see my wife who's mother is black and father is from Mexico. My father in law thinks they should come in legally too. We have a legal system to control population, job availability, and the economy too. Big picture homey. There is one. Look at it. Look for the facts before you start making false accusations too.

I own my own company and I can assure you that today's unions in the US are the issue. Japan, Netherlands, England, etc. all have a HUGE union following. The difference is that they work with the company and not against the company. You won't find someone making $38 an hour to hand out work gloves and stare at the wall all day. That would never fly over seas. They also wouldn't go on strike when someone calls in sick every Monday and Friday for theee months straight. We have a huge union plant about a mile from my shop. I only have 60 employees, but I pay the hourly guys about $4.00 more per hour, offer far better insurance, and I've never had a lay off. 100 years ago, unions were definitely needed. No question about it, but the unions today are sponges that hurt American companies and workers in the long run. If they worked as they do in Japan and Europe, I would be 100% for them. They help the workers and they help the companies do better which helps the workers that much more. Travel a little bit. You'll learn a bit more.

As above; College shouldn't be free until they fix the problems. $800 per credit hour and $300+ for a text book. Sometimes more than one text book, each at $300+. And then they'll change one page in the book and sell more as a "revision #32". Student loans are so high? Fix the root cause. That black Mexican woman I'm such a bigot for marrying paid off her psychology loans. I know that they suck, but don't jack up taxes and pay the schools far more than they are worth. Again, big picture.

Global warming; I don't have a definitive argument for outside of my own view. Al Gore has a home in Tennessee that at least did have one of the highest electric usages for the state and doesn't have a single solar panel, wind mill, nothing. But he does own a shit ton of stocks and partial ownerships to several companies in the "green" industry. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a money making scheme. We're far cleaner than we were 100 or 50 years ago. I'm just not buying it. For each scientist saying it's real, there's others that say it's either a natural earth cycle or just not real. And really... if it was a real issue that was going to kill us governments would be forcing people to do absolutely whatever it took to reverse it. No recommendations. It would be 100% requirements. No questions asked. Until someone can really prove it to me, I rank it right up there with the bible.

And liberals are looked down on for having such narrow views on issues and move right away to personal attacks rather than looking at at least a few facts.

[Brian37]

What makes you think all liberals want to ban all firearms, that is simply a fucking lie.

All of our allies in the west have far better health care systems. You favor fucking over the poor and elderly and vets? Nice.

Don't say anti open boarder, just admit your bullshit bigotry. Dont hand me any fucking crap, that if you were fleeing starvation and had a family yourself you wouldn't make the attempt to go where the resources are. FYI MORON, I have two Hispanic families living on both sides of me, they've lived here for 10 years and not one lick of trouble from them. I could give one fuck less what there legal status is, they are HUMAN BEINGS FIRST to me. In my 50 years I have run into far more trouble with people born here than I have from any migrant. 

Anti Welfare? GREAT, then you can start by realizing the real welfare queens are corporate America. Who the fuck do you think has to make up for what they don't pay? WE DO DUMBASS. That lack of revenue from the rich adds up over time and is why we end up crashes like Bush Jr gave us.

Anti union? Hey idiot, prior to the great depression there were no unions, after WW2 unions helped build the middle class. Unions kept wages up. Reagan started busting unions and the pay gap has exploded since and wages have not been keeping up with the cost of living.

Anti free college? So you want to live in a fucking stupid society? You like knowing it can take up to 15 to 20 years to pay off a college loan? You fucking talk about hating slavery but it seems you love the idea of indentured slavery.

Anti global warming? That right there is the worst bullshit denial out of your pile of tripe list. Climate change is fact and idiots like you who deny it are a danger to our planet and species.

Yes, you most certainly are a minority here, most of us don't have our heads up our ass like you.

Well more liberals want to reduce firearms than conservatives, so that's where I base my choice on that.

I don't favor dicking over the poor on healthcare. I favor fixing the problem. Other countries have better healthcare because they don't charge $200 for a bandaid or $700 just to be admired to the emergency room. That's before they do anything. Hell, it's $100,000+ for a few pills for cancer that may not cure you. Open your eyes. I'm all for better, but I have a wider focus than to pay higher taxes to a screwed up system. Fix the root cause of the issue before you just fork over the money.

You're not the first person to call me a racist or a bigot because I want the borders locked down or just because you heard that I support trump. Narrow minded people always think that before they see my wife who's mother is black and father is from Mexico. My father in law thinks they should come in legally too. We have a legal system to control population, job availability, and the economy too. Big picture homey. There is one.  Look at it. Look for the facts before you start making false accusations too.

I own my own company and I can assure you that today's unions in the US are the issue. Japan, Netherlands, England, etc. all have a HUGE union following. The difference is that they work with the company and not against the company. You won't find someone making $38 an hour to hand out work gloves and stare at the wall all day. That would never fly over seas. They also wouldn't go on strike when someone calls in sick every Monday and Friday for theee months straight. We have a huge union plant about a mile from my shop. I only have 60 employees, but I pay the hourly guys about $4.00 more per hour, offer far better insurance, and I've never had a lay off. 100 years ago, unions were definitely needed. No question about it, but the unions today are sponges that hurt American companies and workers in the long run. If they worked as they do in Japan and Europe, I would be 100% for them. They help the workers and they help the companies do better which helps the workers that much more. Travel a little bit. You'll learn a bit more.

As above; College shouldn't be free until they fix the problems. $800 per credit hour and $300+ for a text book. Sometimes more than one text book, each at $300+. And then they'll change one page in the book and sell more as a "revision #32". Student loans are so high? Fix the root cause. That black Mexican woman I'm such a bigot for marrying paid off her psychology loans. I know that they suck, but don't jack up taxes and pay the schools far more than they are worth. Again, big picture.

Global warming; I don't have a definitive argument for outside of my own view. Al Gore has a home in Tennessee that at least did have one of the highest electric usages for the state and doesn't have a single solar panel, wind mill, nothing. But he does own a shit ton of stocks and partial ownerships to several companies in the "green" industry. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a money making scheme. We're far cleaner than we were 100 or 50 years ago. I'm just not buying it. For each scientist saying it's real, there's others that say it's either a natural earth cycle or just not real. And really... if it was a real issue that was going to kill us governments would be forcing people to do absolutely whatever it took to reverse it. No recommendations. It would be 100% requirements. No questions asked. Until someone can really prove it to me, I rank it right up there with the bible.

And liberals are looked down on for having such narrow views on issues and move right away to personal attacks rather than looking at at least a few facts.

Reduce the amount and so? 

Reduction of making ANY product is how supply and demand work moron. You flood any product  or even a business model into the market it causes problems. Firearms should NOT be treated any differently than any other product. We make way more than people actually need. Other product makers can be sued for putting out dangerous products and can even be sued for bad marketing. Idiots like you swallow the lie that it is a slippery slope when all we want is for the industry to care where the fuck their products end up, and don't sell me any bullshit that they care right now.

We do look at facts idiot, you ignore them.

1. We did trickle down since Reagan, IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK.

2. The pay gap has exploded in that time and just like a rubber band, you keep stretching it it will snap.

3. Worker pay IS NOT keeping up with the cost of living.

4. Higher taxes on the rich WILL NOT HURT THEM.

5. Cheaper and or free higher education BENEFITS SOCIETY.

None of that list above is a call for a Stalin nanny state or Castro's Cuba, and I am fucking sick of that bullshit cold war crap. High taxes and investment was the policy after WW2 and that policy of livable wages and education and investment and high taxes on the rich CREATED THE MIDDLE CLASS after WW2! And the worst part is you are too stupid to see, that by doing those things that made workers LESS DEPENDENT on government.

[downbeatplumb]

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I don't favor dicking over the poor on healthcare. I favor fixing the problem. Other countries have better healthcare because they don't charge $200 for a bandaid or $700 just to be admired to the emergency room. That's before they do anything. Hell, it's $100,000+ for a few pills for cancer that may not cure you. Open your eyes. I'm all for better, but I have a wider focus than to pay higher taxes to a screwed up system. Fix the root cause of the issue before you just fork over the money.

What you need is socialised healthcare like the rest of the developed world, free at point of use and payed for by taxation. It works and doesn't penalise the ones most in need. Unfortunately for you the republicans will veto anything that helps people who need it so the rich can keep the maximum amount of money to themselves.

You're not the first person to call me a racist or a bigot because I want the borders locked down or just because you heard that I support trump.

There is a reason for that.

Narrow minded people always think that before they see my wife who's mother is black and father is from Mexico. My father in law thinks they should come in legally too. We have a legal system to control population, job availability, and the economy too. Big picture homey. There is one.  Look at it. Look for the facts before you start making false accusations too.

So your playing the "some of my friends are black" card. The oldest play in the racists handbook.

I own my own company and I can assure you that today's unions in the US are the issue. Japan, Netherlands, England, etc. all have a HUGE union following. The difference is that they work with the company and not against the company. You won't find someone making $38 an hour to hand out work gloves and stare at the wall all day. That would never fly over seas. They also wouldn't go on strike when someone calls in sick every Monday and Friday for theee months straight. We have a huge union plant about a mile from my shop. I only have 60 employees, but I pay the hourly guys about $4.00 more per hour, offer far better insurance, and I've never had a lay off. 100 years ago, unions were definitely needed. No question about it, but the unions today are sponges that hurt American companies and workers in the long run. If they worked as they do in Japan and Europe, I would be 100% for them. They help the workers and they help the companies do better which helps the workers that much more. Travel a little bit. You'll learn a bit more.

Hello from a brit here. The power of our unions was crushed when the tories purposely destroyed our industrial base to get rid of them, there were running battles in the streets...but your an American and the world stops at the oceans for most of you it was in the eighties. We were moved from an industrial to a service based society and it fucked us up.
You have strong unions, congratulations, that means you still have industries. We don't.

As above; College shouldn't be free until they fix the problems. $800 per credit hour and $300+ for a text book. Sometimes more than one text book, each at $300+. And then they'll change one page in the book and sell more as a "revision #32". Student loans are so high? Fix the root cause. That black Mexican woman I'm such a bigot for marrying paid off her psychology loans. I know that they suck, but don't jack up taxes and pay the schools far more than they are worth. Again, big picture.

Spend a little less on the military and the US could school the whole world and still have money to spare. You spend money in stupid places.

Global warming; I don't have a definitive argument for outside of my own view. Al Gore has a home in Tennessee that at least did have one of the highest electric usages for the state and doesn't have a single solar panel, wind mill, nothing. But he does own a shit ton of stocks and partial ownerships to several companies in the "green" industry. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a money making scheme. We're far cleaner than we were 100 or 50 years ago. I'm just not buying it. For each scientist saying it's real, there's others that say it's either a natural earth cycle or just not real.

Wow you are so wrong 97% of scientists working on climate agree that man made climate change is real and significantly dangerous to human life 97% not the 50/50 ratio you seem to have imagined.

And really... if it was a real issue that was going to kill us governments would be forcing people to do absolutely whatever it took to reverse it. No recommendations. It would be 100% requirements. No questions asked. Until someone can really prove it to me, I rank it right up there with the bible.

Yes it should be a 100% requirement,the world agrees and your fucking president just pulled out because he seems to want to kill the world.

And liberals are looked down on for having such narrow views on issues and move right away to personal attacks rather than looking at at least a few facts.

You seem to have confused the term liberal with "narrow minded blow hard idiot"