It is becoming more evidence that America will destroy itself from within

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Breaking up the US would be bad for business, so it's not going to happen.

[henryp]

 I did not like Obama when he first ran. Hell, I even fell for the line that he was working for the terrorists and was a plant by them to steal America's secrets and destroy us.

Wait, what?  Do you worry all the time that you are just falling for some other trickery?  I mean, Obama is a secret terrorist is not something people should ever be able to be talked into.  You always seem so confident in your opinions.  Where does that confidence come from?

It's like a spelling bee, where the first word is Cat, and you say K-5-Pickle.  And they're like, nope, C-A-T.  I'd think you might say "Hmm, spelling probably isn't for me."  rather than starting thread after thread lecturing people on not spelling things how you think they should be spelled.

[Minimalist]

Of, FFS, give it up.  How did she do that?  By getting the most votes?

I voted for Hillary and I will tell you why.  Bernie would have been ripped to shreds by the republicunt propaganda machine in the campaign.  Had he won, as a democrat, I would have voted for him.  But he LOST.  Get over it and stop acting like a fucking baby.

The DNC chose Hillary to be their winner from the start and did everything to hurt Bernie's chances. That's breaking their own rules. Hillary was also given debate questions ahead of time. I'm just stating facts here.

You voted for Hillary in the general and I have no problem with that. I'm ok with that vote, but the primaries were completely rigged in her favour and that's a fact.

Are you a truther and a birther, too?

[FFaith]

The DNC chose Hillary to be their winner from the start and did everything to hurt Bernie's chances. That's breaking their own rules. Hillary was also given debate questions ahead of time. I'm just stating facts here.

You voted for Hillary in the general and I have no problem with that. I'm ok with that vote, but the primaries were completely rigged in her favour and that's a fact.

Are you a truther and a birther, too?

Funny that you bring up birtherism. Let's take a look back at Hillary vs Obama. Remember Hillary releasing those pics of Obama wearing that headdress? What was she implying there by releasing those pics? Maybe that the brown skinned guy with the headdress is not 'American' enough? Sounds a bit like birtherism to me.

What do you take issue with that I have posted. The DNC broke their own rules not to favour any candidate over another. Those are the rules. Hillary was given debate questions. That's obviously not something that's supposed to be happening, or am I wrong about that?

[downbeatplumb]

America may not be broken but it certainly is not the leader of the free world anymore.
The free world is not doing what America wants for the first time in as long as I can remember in anything.
The US stance on everything is at odds with the rest of the world and the rest of are just getting on with stuff their way.
America may not be broken, but Trump has made it irrelevant.

[vorlon13]

I'm only up to page 23 of Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign, and I'm already having serious concerns about her ability to have governed. Chaotic barely describes her campaign organization, and the cutthroat toadies internally feuding while the campaign goes rudderless is disturbing.

So, in regards to the topic, yeah, we have a disaster, but a Hillary administration at war with itself and also the house and senate too was going to be a disastrous cluster fuck of it's very own. Almost a blessing the shit is raining on the pubs now instead of the dems, the result in the long term view has to be better for the dems, as tough as 11/8 was to experience.

And there's already one eternal enduring mystery for the ages, to never be knowable no matter what:

Would Hillary's presidency have been Bill Clinton's third term, or Barak Obama's third term or Hillary's first term ??

We'll never know, Hillary hadn't figured it out by 11/8, and it will never be figured out now.



379 pages to go. I fear for where this is leading, the first 23 pages have been a very grim slog as it is.

[The Grand Nudger]

My money would be on Hillary's first.  While she invariably had ties to her husbands legacy..and through the party barack's...she had her own well cultivated and deeply seated interests to satisfy. While we may wonder about her ability to govern....I hope her ability to pursue her own interests was never in doubt. It took a fear bordering (if not firmly within) the pathological to derail her seemingly inexorable march to the presidency. No truth, however shitty, was sufficient to stop that....Incredible Things™ had to be manufactured whole cloth, in concert with dedicated activities from a hostile foreign power and the sudden eruption of White Fright.

[Minimalist]

Are you a truther and a birther, too?

Funny that you bring up birtherism. Let's take a look back at Hillary vs Obama. Remember Hillary releasing those pics of Obama wearing that headdress? What was she implying there by releasing those pics? Maybe that the brown skinned guy with the headdress is not 'American' enough? Sounds a bit like birtherism to me.

What do you take issue with that I have posted. The DNC broke their own rules not to favour any candidate over another. Those are the rules. Hillary was given debate questions. That's obviously not something that's supposed to be happening, or am I wrong about that?

Jesus fucking christ.....

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the...t-sanders/

The System Isn’t ‘Rigged’ Against Sanders

Clinton’s winning because more Democrats want her to be the nominee.

Sanders was a dead man walking after the NY Primary - where Clinton crushed him - in mid-April.  Clinton had a substantial lead in pledged delegates as a result of her victories and the following week crushed Sanders again in 4 of 5 races in the NE, losing only in Rhode Island.  And of course the super-delegates, who were Democrats after all which Sanders was not, took due note of the fact.  It was over at that point but Sanders kept going in a Quixotic ritual that perhaps he understands best?  Still, I do not blame Sanders for continuing to keep the parade going.  I do blame his supporters for not listening to him and supporting Clinton after he conceded.  They, not Sanders, are the reason the Orange Turd is taking this country over a cliff.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No truth, however shitty, was sufficient to stop that....Incredible Things™ had to be manufactured whole cloth, in concert with dedicated activities from a hostile foreign power and the sudden eruption of White Fright.  

I'm not so sure. Obama stopped the train in 08.

I agree that she would be a damned-sight better president than the monkey we have now, but she had enough baggage that was not manufactured to give pause to plenty of folks.

[The Grand Nudger]

No truth, however shitty, was sufficient to stop that....Incredible Things™ had to be manufactured whole cloth, in concert with dedicated activities from a hostile foreign power and the sudden eruption of White Fright.  

I'm not so sure. Obama stopped the train in 08.

I agree that she would be a damned-sight better president than the monkey we have now, but she had enough baggage that was not manufactured to give pause to plenty of folks.

If that were true, she wouldn't have been the candidate in 2016, eight years...and much more baggage, later.